sarah harrison, one of our people who went to hong kong to do with the situation both from -- she wasspectivecting as a conduit to our lawyers. and from a journalistic perspective. kongccompanied him to hong -- i'm sorry, accompanied him out of hong kong to moscow and that was a very difficult situation. importantly, making sure once it became clear it would be difficult for him to go to latin america, making sure that the situation into which he entered into asylum in russia was a well negotiated one. was not one of weakness. so she stayed there for some 3, 4 months to make sure he had freedom in russia and was well respected there. to their credit, the russian authorities to the right thing. they gave him asylum and did not interfere or coerce with his conditions. >> what do you think is the most significant revelation that has come out of this snowden-leaked documents? i mean, you who know so much. >> it is our specialty to understand surveillance systems. -- beforeion but so hand. many of the broad parameters we knew about. but the confirmation of each one of those parameters was extremel