next to bob, we have sarah holwinsky. she just came from africa to boulder, that's the most recent intriguing place she has been and the director for civilians in centers in conflict. we also have tammy schultz, she was a ride supervisor at elich gardens, the lead ride supervisor at elich

next to bob, we have sarah holwinsky. she just came from africa to boulder, that's the most recent intriguing place she has been and the director for civilians in centers in conflict. we also have tammy schultz, she was a ride supervisor at elich gardens, the lead ride supervisor at elich gardens, kind of a big deal locally. and the professor of strategic studies, so welcome tammy, and we have sarah shard, who's our second sarah panelist today and sarah is the author and contributing editor for the solitary watch website and she's a university -- a uc berkeley visiting scholar, so welcome and without further adieu, i will give it over to bob to start, each panelist will have about ten minutes to speak, and after that we'll go right into audience participation and questions. again as a reminder, students will be invited to come and ask questions first. so bob, thanks so much. >> thanks everybody for coming today, it's great to be here, you're especially remarkable for coming to the topic which is not exactly easy to swallo

next to bob, we have sarah holwinsky. she just came from africa to boulder, that's the most recent intriguing place she has been and the director for civilians in centers in conflict. we also have tammy schultz, she was a ride supervisor at elich gardens, the lead ride supervisor at elich gardens, kind of a big deal locally. and the professor of strategic studies, so welcome tammy, and we have sarah shard, who's our second sarah panelist today and sarah is the author and contributing editor for the solitary watch website and she's a university -- a uc berkeley visiting scholar, so welcome and without further adieu, i will give it over to bob to start, each panelist will have about ten minutes to speak, and after that we'll go right into audience participation and questions. again as a reminder, students will be invited to come and ask questions first. so bob, thanks so much. >> thanks everybody for coming today, it's great to be here, you're especially remarkable for coming to the topic which is not exactly easy to swallo