in the car along with me and i'm driving to where she lives, she was living with a woman named sarah irman. i'm sort of pulling up to a place, not quite there yet, and she says to me, i want you to meet my boyfriend, he's coming in tomorrow, or something like that. i said, oh, great, she said what's his name. she said bill clinton, i met him in law school, and we have been going out. she said you got to meet him. i said that's great, i would be happy to meet him. i liked hillary a lot. i would be happy to meet him. oh, yeah, he just graduated, what firm is he going to? he's not going to a firm, he's going into politics he's going to be the senator of arkansas. or the governor or something of arkansas and he'll be president of the united states. and i look at this woman, this 26-year-old woman and i say -- and i remember to this day, i say, what have i gotten myself into. i am now a senior person on the staff, i'm sort of in charge of the tapes, i present these tapes to the committee, these tapes are devastating evidence with respect to the impeachment, the committee hears it and realizing