alice sarah matthews, donald trump's former sec press secretary, about the conversation. also, five classified documents or alleged interference. what is the stronger case? we have legal analysis. spectacular pictures that could become a thing at the past. where this is, and why it matters so much. good day from msnbc world headquarters today. welcome to alex witt, reports time in for alex today. we have breaking news this hour. we're going to show you some live pictures in tel aviv. one of the two dueling rallies in israel of a prime minister netanyahu's judicial overhaul. a final vote in parliament is just hours away. this massive rally is happening as netanyahu recovers from overnight surgery to receive a pacemaker. joining me now is nbc's raf sanchez in jerusalem, where thousands are marching on the parliament, angry over the changes. raf, what are you seen? >> well, lindsey, we are seeing a very large, very determined crowd here in jerusalem. just to give you a sense of geography, there's tens of thousands of people have gathered in israeli supreme court. this is the

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let's bring in now former trump deputy white house secretary sarah matthews. sarah great to see you. i don't know if you've heard that soundbite that was played at the beginning of former president trump complimenting judge cannon. she's so strong, she love the country so much, she is so smart. i know we've heard and do things like this is a device that he sometimes uses when he wants to curry favor with someone or manipulate them, how did you hear that? >> exactly what you said, it's like he's heaping praise on her in hopes that she will rule in his favor tomorrow. i think this just goes to show that trump is all about loyalty. he thinks that this judge owes him something because he put her in his position. so therefore in his eyes she should rule in his favor. i believe in that same interview he said something about along the lines that she should quote do the right thing, or people who love this country do the right thing. he went on to say that she loves our country. just goes to show that he's kind of putting at this thinly veiled threat of wanting her to

reaction to this the former deputy press secretary at the white house under president donald trump, sarah matthewsou again, sarah. you were there in the white house on january 6th, you resigned over what you saw that day over trump's refusal to condemn the violence. you called his actions indefensible, just to remind all of our viewers. what's your reaction to hearing that trump received this letter and could be facing charges over january 6th? >> i definitely would like to see some accountability for what took place. obviously his election lies resulted in the riot that we saw at the capitol. those people would not be there unless they thought that they had a reason to save their country, and they were told that mike pence had the authority to overturn the election when he, in fact, did not. and trump was repeatedly told that mike pence did not have that authority. he was repeatedly told that there was no substantial evidence of fraud, yet he continues to this day to push his election lies. so i'm hopeful that a potential indictment we will see some accountability finally. >> you would like to se

. >> let's bring in former white house deputy secretary sarah matthews. i don't know if you heard the sound bite that we played in the beginning of former president trump talking about the judge that she is so strong, so smart. how did you hear that? >> exactly what you said. he's giving praise on her hoping that she will rule in his favor tomorrow. that goes to show that trump is all about loyalty. he thinks this judge owes her something because he put her in this position. therefore, in his eyes, she should rule in his favor. in the same interview, he said something along the lines that she should, quote, do the right thing or the people that love this country should do the right thing. he's putting out this thinly thread of quote, wanting her to do the right thing tomorrow. hopefully she will ignore that and do what is best for the case. >> sarah, the is a new york times article about what donald trump and his team are planning if he were to win the primary and then win the presidential election in 2024. it is to consolidate presidential power. he didn

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with us now is sarah matthews, who was trump white house deputy press detectors terry, who also testified to the committee, like those two women did. thanks for being with us. what is your view on the settlements. the idea that giuliani might have to pay for them on what he might do for them? >> i'm happy to see accountability happen, because it is a shame for what ruby freeman and sheamus have been through. we should never have had to go through this in the first. plus the fact of the matter is that one man, donald trump cannot accept the verdict that he lost the 2020 election, and so he can contacted conspiracy theories with his associates like giuliani to try to overturn the election and try to put the target and blame on other. folks we saw that happen with mike, punts and then trying to say that he could send the electors back to the states, and we saw that in the situation with these two. woman it's really sad, because it has real consequences. these election. laws these two women were the target of the threats. there were fun to be on a killer from one of the keeper. they faced har

. >> i want to play some -- from my interview with sarah matthews, former trump white house -- who spoke told me earlier that she did not testify to the grand jury. >> given what we know from the select committee, do you think that the special counsel eventually will be able to have enough evidence to charge the former president. i think, so i don't want to get into specifics of what i think those charges will look like i will leave that to the legal experts and obviously we need to see what a potential indictment, does what it even looks like, and what additional evidence that the special counsel uncovered that may be the house committee did not uncover. and so obviously i think of the house committee laid out a lot of evidence. making the case for some charges. >> what do you make of what she said? and what's missing -- smith seems to be focusing on with witnesses like matthews in the investigation. >> well i think smith and his team are doing the exact right, thing they are focusing on what people saw and heard her. in trump's immediate vicinity and the days leading up to january 6th.

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responded about his poll worker theory, you will remember former deputy white house press secretary sarah matthewsew nights ago. >> personally, i did not have any interactions with giuliani, but i think that myself and some of my other colleagues have found him to be a bit of a joke. >> now, however you do view him, he is smack in the middle of multiple legal messes. so, let's bring in cnn senior legal analyst elie honig -- that exchange with boris epstein doesn't necessarily need to be proven. how problematic is that for this case, but many in the case of the surrounding giuliani? it's a big problem for rudy giuliani. in the first, case at this one a stream ending this month -- they alleged that you have to prove two things. one, he lied about them. which he clearly did. he accused them of election fraud, they did no such thing. and second, what they call actual malice, meaning they knew he was lying. or he was reckless. and that text right there, where someone tells him that these things that you're talking about we don't need proof we just need to say it, that to me is the definition of reckles

. >> sarah matthews, take look at these headlines. desantis sheds staff amid cash crunch.d after an initial campaign loss. should he be worried here. letting go his staff this early is not nothing. >> definitely not a good sign, but he did manage to outraise trump and he raised over $20 million in just six weeks so i think it shows that he has the fund-raising power and mechanisms in place, but obviously the burn rate is really high and they're trying to offset some of the costs by offloading staff which doing that this early isn't great for them. >> who do you worry about the most as a democrat. which republican do you want want to get the nomination because you think they would offer the toughest challenge to joe biden? >> i learned a long time ago to say never who i would prefer or not prefer to run. >> not on camera, anyway. >> not at this minute, jake, but i will say the people that would create the most of a challenge would be someone like a tim scott who is younger and african-american and brings different perspective and different ideas and i just don't think he'll

joining us now to discuss former white house deputy press secretary during the trip administration, sarah matthews at victoria nurse who served as chief counsel for then vice president joe biden. you were when of the witnesses who testified before the house january 6 select committee, so you are aware of trumps actions around the capital attack. are you surprised to hear that the special counsel's case against trump seems to be larger involving more evidence and more witnesses then trumps attorneys expected? >> i don't think that is surprising at all. i think they had access to different materials that the congressional committee could not get access to. particularly witnesses. obviously we know that the vice president went before the grand jury in this case and that wasn't something that happened with the january 6th committee, so i think they have reason to be worried, the trump team, because i think they will have even more evidence and obviously the evidence that was uncovered in the january 6th committee hearings was really shocking, particularly cassidy hutchinson, my former colleagues testi

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. >> sarah matthews former white house deputy southpaw, terry's -- justice department department theformer fbi deputy assistant director, cnn law enforcement analyst and former d.c. police officer, michael fanone. i'm glad to have all of you here. there's a lot to take in. first of all, we're talking about the target letters. you've been a cop, obviously. is this an oddity that you have a target letter in general? >> i went back and went through my rolodex of criminal cases, i've probably participated maybe 100 and hundred and 50 federal court cases. i can only think of one time in which a target letter was issued. and that was an individual who held an elective office. >> what does that say? is that because of the nature of the position that you dot the, eyes the cross the t's, you have a professional courtesy of kinds? >> i think so. i think that's what it has, what's happening here. the doj is extending every courtesy to donald trump. i don't think it really matters. who cares? can the doj issue a target letter, yes. they can. they have to? no, they don't. today she won in this ci

investigative committee counsel sophia nelson and a former trump white house deputy press secretary sarah matthews. so, joseph, so much more detail in this indictment, but really at the end of the day this is about trump. this is about trump directing what really is a conspiracy that goes beyond just his closest, trusted aide, but now has entangled a third co-defendant in an effort to obscure and hide and even get his lawyers to lie to the federal government. >> it is a shame about the junior employees in trump's employ. it seems like he has this way of entangling people in his problems and then casting them aside. he'll pay for their lawyers as long as they keep their mouths shut but that is basically the deal. >> as you bring up the lawyers and trump paying for it there is part of the indictment that is really telling about how trump approaches this. it says here that just over two weeks after the fbi discovered classified documents in the storage room in trump's office, nauta called trump employee number five and said the words to the effect of someone just wants to make sure carlos is good. ca

committee witnesses, who has a big revelation about jack smith's grand jury, my interview with sarah matthews secretary, tomorrow, sunday, one pm eastern. alabama republicans have defied a u.s. supreme court order, in passing a new congressional map that includes only one majority black district the supreme court had reaffirmed a federal court order to include two districts, which would favor black voters, joining me now right now is someone to sanders-townsend. most of simon which follows right here on msnbc. . so simon, this governor signed this new map into law, saying the legislature knows our state and people in our districts better than the federal courts. house speaker kevin mccarthy confirmed to nbc news that you talk to alabama legislators about the issue. what do you suspect is at play here? and do you expect this to be the final map? there is a hearing in august. >> i think there is a couple of things that play here, lindsay, first and foremost, governor kay ivey's comments i think are very, people should pay close attention to them. because regardless of if the state legislators n

alice sarah matthews, donald trump's former sec press secretary, about the conversation.lleged interference. what is the stronger case? we have legal analysis. spectacular pictures that could become a thing at the past. where this is, and why it matters so much. good day from msnbc world headquarters today. welcome to alex witt, reports time in for alex today.

and the left just, they are scared -- >> joining me now, sarah matthews, former trump white house deputy secretary. sadie gurman, justice department reporter for the wall street journal, peter strzok, former fbi jeff deputy assistant director, as well as cnn law enforcement analyst and former d. c. police officer michael fanone. i'm glad to have all of you here. there is a lot to taken. first of all we are talking about the target letters. you have been a cop, obviously. is this an oddity, we are you have a target letter in general? >> i went back and went through my rolodex of criminal cases. and i probably participated may be in 100, 150 federal court cases. and i can only think of one time in which the target letter was issued. and that was an individual who held an elected office. >> but what does that say though? that because of the nature of the position, you dot the i, as you cross the t's, you have a professional courtesy at times? >> i think so. and i think that's what it has, what's happening here. is the doj is extending every courtesy to donald trump. but i don't think it rea