sarah matthews and tim join me now. i gave my rundown of what i think is going on here.hat am i missing, and what's your take on what her calculation is? >> yes, that last clip was hard to listen to it. all of it was, but her talk about how she's going to tell the hard truths and contrast it with i'm going to vote for trump because he stands with our allies? it doesn't make any sense. i don't think she is trying to make it make sense. what is happening here is pretty obvious. nikki hay letter wants a future in the republican party. she thinks it's worse than death and is what liz cheney is going through. she wants to potentially run for office again whether it's '24, '28, '32, or '36. she knows if she endorses biden, she'll face something there. it's nothing more, nothing less. >> it's a sad state. the allies thing really struck me, too. in watching it again, that does not make any sense, that particular point. sarah, you were a haley supporter. you talked about how you supported a number of things she said. you also said the outcome was both predictable and inevitable.

let's bring in sarah matthews, who served as donald trump's white house press secretary., danny cevallos, and duncan lovin are still with me. how focused do you think donald trump is on the actual number of people, whether they're family members inside the courtroom or the fact that in many many days of this trial, the number of people outside supporting him are in single digits? >> yeah, donald trump is definitely paying close attention to this. look, he's someone who's all about branding and optics, and he knows it's not necessarily the best look that he had his family by his side the first couple of weeks that there aren't crowds of protesters outside supporting himment you kno -- him. you know, he feeds off the energy. to not assemble outside the courthouse, and putting him in a bad mood. he's lashing out at aides. now he's seeing folks support him by his side, whether it's aides or surrogates and family members. you noted eric trump came. i imagine that moving forward, that will be the case, that they'll continue to try to bring people to be around him so he feels a

sarah matthews so cohen testifies to this yesterday he was asked by the prosecutor, did you bring upt the time the topic of his wife melania, in one of those conversations with mr. trump. >> and again, we're talking about the access hollywood period as all the stormy daniel's stuff is going down. cohen says, i did. what, if anything, did he say to you about that? the prosecutor asks cohen, don't worry. he goes he goes how long do you think i will be on the market for it? not long. hoffinger. what did you understand that to mean? cohen, he was not thinking about millennia. this was all about the campaign. sarah, you have seen how this man interacts and private talks about his wife and women who is telling the truth here about what's really going on yeah. >> i mean, i think stormy daniels testimony also backed up what michael cohen is saying. she testified to the donald trump told her that him and melania didn't sleep in the same bed. and then now you have cohen. this saying it flies in the face of what trump's defenses that he was solely concerned with, the opinion of his wife and wha

joining our conversation is sarah matthews. ecretary during the trump administration and overlapped a bit with hope hicks. sarah, hope hicks at the beginning of her testimony before the really universally agreed upon damaging testimony to donald trump in terms of the crime that's under scrutiny here, as well as her own emotions that came out in a rare and human moment for her, there was some pretty important testimony about how she didn't ever freelance. donald trump was in charge of the message. donald trump, she said, was the best at it. he was in charge of who to respond to, what to say to them and that she really just got reporters on the phone. is that how the press operation worked during your time? >> yeah. i think certainly donald trump had a hands on roll in terms of his branding and the message coming out of the white house. i think too, really when we're talking about scandal that trump was dealing with -- don't get me wrong. i was dealing at the white house and we had a low level policy statement we were giving to a

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before the november election, joining me now is from trump white house deputy press secretary, sarah matthews and sara i mean, lots go through this morning after what we all witnessed yesterday, you worked for the former president how much do you think his attorneys are just sort of waiting to see if the volcano explodes today. i mean, he's as we were just saying, he's on thin ice if he tweets the wrong thing or post the wrong thing. i mean, it can land them in jail they have to be worried and what do you think is going through trump's mind right now after all that testimony yesterday, yeah, i certainly wouldn't want to be he working on his campaign team or be one of his attorneys right now, just given i think that he's more than certainly lashing out at them, he's upset after that testimony. look, stormy daniels disclosed a lot of salacious details, personal things about their interactions, whether he wore a condom details about him and his wife not sleeping being in the same bedroom. so he was definitely upset and we saw that he's the judge had to warn his lawyers to tell the defendant to s

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joining us now, sarah matthews, she testified publicly during the january 6 committee hearings. good morning.>> so, that was normal, sarah, just a day at the nra. look, okay, so trump is a liar, we know that. the projection around biden spending, taking money from russia and all these places, we know that. but, when you are standing in front of a group like the nra, when you are standing in front of a group that has very strong views about this administration, the biden administration and donald trump for that matter, what is the signaling, from inside the bubble a little bit with trump, what is the signaling that is going on, is it as blatant as making a comment about executing a president or is it something more or less, is it just trump standing there running his mouth? >> i think he knows this audience are people that are a part of his space, so he's going to say things like this where it is going to rile them up and get them excited. i think he knows that in his mind, he thinks it is a joke where he's joking about he needs the electric chair but you shouldn't be talking abou

and finally had to shell out hundred and $30,000 sarah matthews is where this is. well, sarah, in another exchange and this was significant. cohen says, trump was unconcerned about how melania's reaction would be to the stormy daniels story. cohen st. trump told him not to worry he wouldn't be by himself for long. what do you make of that? >> yeah. i think they've laid out that the prosecution has laid out that lani was not the concern that trump's concern was with the campaign obviously, trump's defense is saying that's not true, that this a fair never even happened and that he was concerned with what his his wife thinks. i think what's difficult about this is that and what kind of goes against trump's defense is that melania has not shown face at all during this trial. i wouldn't expect her to just given the nature of the details of this case and that doesn't maybe play well with the jury when you're seeing other family members of his show up, we had some us senators today show up and be by his side. but the most important person who could show up and be by his si

. >> sarah matthews was trump's deputy press secretary at the time at what point did you begin to realize? >> how dangerous this had become we started seeing those initial interactions between some of the people arriving to the capital. >> and that was the first sign okay, wait, this could really escalate and this could escalate quickly at 2:24. >> trump tweeted mike pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our country he was putting a target on his own vice president's back. >> we thought that is pouring gasoline on the fire, right? we already had a situation that was kidding the control and the president's tweet just really inflamed it even more we can pinpoint the second that came out, the violence massively accelerated one minute later at 2:25. >> the secret service was forced to evacuate pence to a secure location. he did not care about his safety and the thing that kills me is that the vice president's family was there at one point, the crush of the mob was only 50 ten feet away from mike pence and his small entourage not only did he just put out tha

to sarah matthews, former trump white house deputy press secretary, also here, charlie dent or republican former congressmen and lulu garcia-navarro contributor and new york times journalists and podcast host. okay, we'd meet with you, sarah here because somethings are just a yes or no answer why do you think he more than once now and it's coming to reproductive rights, abortion now, birth control. he is waiting to give a policy a weaker so immediately from now yeah, this is the classic trump answer when he doesn't know how to answer a policy question, he says, oh, we're going to be issuing our policy opinion on this and two weeks, it's going to be great. >> everyone's going to love it. and then two weeks comes and never happens and i think with this one, he's very concerned with how voters feel about this and particularly the base. so that's brian. thank you. saw him try to push this off and answering because he doesn't maybe know where his base lands on contraceptives. i also think there's a chance two, that he might have been confused between contraceptives and mifepristone, the aborti

senior political commentator david axelrod, and the former trump white house press secretary, sarah matthews kristen, what happened inside this republican treat, give us a context of what trump was saying. >> yes, this is about a 90 minute speech. it was profanity laced and that's really an understatement. i mean, one point he calls jack smith and f-ing a whole a lot of rants about his legal issues, a lot of rants about the biden administration. i will note we're not playing the audio because we obtained it from sources and we i had some concerns and they had some concerns that there were some identifying factors in that audio, which is why i'm not playing it. but i have listened to the whole thing and it was a series of trump isms. he was in his element talking to donors, talking to his closest confidence loyalists be a potential vice presidential picks and he was on a rant talking about how his pull numbers are high against biden. and again, against all his legal cases. >> yeah. you know, fundraisers that are the most dangerous place for any candidate to be. and he just proved it again. bu

you know, my new friend, sarah matthews, former trump staffer, griffin, both women who oppose trump now, it's sad. you see them on trump and they're saying, "see, this is what politicians do." it's not what all politicians do. it is what nikki haley is doing, what people who prop up trump do. none of these people are serious, it says. >> we're going to look at her during the 2016 campaign, how she framed -- this is 2020, actually, how she -- sorry, alex. what are we showing? oh, okay. here is nikki haley in 2023. >> times change and so has trump. he's gotten more unstable and unhinged. if you mock the service of a combat veteran, you don't deserve a driver's license, let alone being president of the united states. we've seen him get confused. he was confused about me having something to do with keeping security away from the capitol. he was confused when he said biden was going to run us into world war ii. he is not qualified to be the president of the united states. it's not normal to insult our military heros and veterans. he was thin skinned and easily distracted. it's not normal to

sarah matthews, general james mattis, the chair of the joint chiefs of staff mark milley general jon kelly and now vice president mike pence he refuses to endorse for president the man he served with. but we do have loyal still in the room and one day i look forward to hearing their testimony about how they got sunk into this religious cult. he wrote chairman comber and me a remarkable letter on july 23, 2023. this is the first time i meeting him today. he was rudy giuliani's right-hand man. his globetrotting business partner and language interpreter in the mission to manufacture ukraine and burisma related dirt and smears against joe biden. that was in 20,182,019. he spent all this time traveling around the world trying to's stage evidence against joe biden. the desperate search to find evidence of any kind of biden corruption was a complete and total bust. is no evidence in ukraine that joe biden did anything improper but more darkly search for smoking gun against biden to invent and concoct evidence out of thin air with the active help of russian intelligence assets and agents. i'

but, you know what, there are people who are -- sarah matthews was a deputy press secretary in the whitese. she has said i don't agree with joe biden but i feel the threat is existential, i will support him. she is a woman about 30 years old, if that. bill barr, have some courage here. >> i mean, that's the thing. you have these women like cassidy hutchison willing to stand up. and others that were willing to stand up and speak out. and with bill barr, you are right, i think so much is just afraid of this mob, being concerned about that. we have seen it with rudy giuliani, just this desperate dire for relevance. >> yeah. >> if joe biden is reelected, then leonard leo and his $1.4 billion is not going to be deciding who will be on the supreme court. if leonard is $1.4 billion do help decide like who will -- basically bought on to the supreme court then you have bill barr that is extraordinarily relevant because they are catholic culture warriors, fellow travelers and barr will be relevant one way or another that way. >> i keep wondering to myself -- i don't know if you feel this way -- wh

necessarily sways them to want to support him all right. >> sara great to have your perspective, sarah matthewthank you so much for that. we appreciate it and testimony continuing in form how president trump's hush money trial were more on what is coming out of that courtroom, were watching it right now as the defense attorney is returning to talking about daniels tweet it's talking about her finances, some very, very contentious moments that we have been learning about inside of this courthouse. >> we'll have more on them in just a moment when our special coverage continuous ten molar cell takes mavericks, thunder covered, begins tonight at 6:30. >> nba playoffs presented google pixel, what conference semifinals covers presented by weighing stone on dna explore the world. the viking way from the quiet comfort of elegance, small ships with no children and no casinos we actually have reinvented ocean voyages, designing all inclusive so if experiences for the thinking person viking voted welds best by both travel and leisure and condi nast traveler learn more at viking.com start your day with hm

my new friend, sarah matthews, former trump staffer, opposes trump now.at politicians do. it's not what all politicians do . it's what nikki haley is doing and what republicans are prop up trump do. and in the end it does kind of help him see, none of these people are on the level or serious. >> were going to take a look at her during the 2016 campaign and how she framed -- this is 2020, actually -- sorry -- what are we showing? okay. here is nikki haley in 2023. >> times change and so has trump. he's gotten more unstable and unhinged. >> if you mock the service of a combat veteran, you don't deserve a drivers license, let alone being president of the united states. >> we've seen him get confused. he was confused about me having something to do with giving security away from the capitol. he was confused when he said biden was going to run us into world war ii. >> he's not qualified to be the president of the united states? >> is not normal to insult our military heroes and veterans. >> he was thin-skinned and easily distracted. >> it's not normal to spend

people like cassidy hutchinson, michael:, sarah matthews, alyssa griffin, general james mattis, mark millie, general john kelly and now vice president mike pence who refuses to endorse for president the man he served with. when did i look forward to hearing their testimony about how they got sunk into this religious cult. mr. parnassus wrote a remarkable letter on july 23rd 2023. this is the first time i meeting him today. he was rudy giuliani's right- hand man. his globetrotting business partner and language interpreter in the mission to manufacture their and smears against joe biden in 2018 and 2019. he spent his time traveling around the world trying to stage evidence against joe biden. parnas explains the desperate search for evidence of any kind of corruption was a complete and total bust because there's no evidence. not only was there no evidence in ukraine that joe biden did anything improper but more darkly the manic search for a smoking gun against biden became a mission to concoct evidence out of thin air with the active help of russian intelligence assets and agents. you h

people like cassidy hutchinson, people like michael cohen, sarah matthews, alyssa griffin, general james mattis, the chair of the joint chiefs of staff mark milley, general john kelly, now vice president mike pence, refuses to endorse for president the man he served with. but we do have loyal sycophants still in the room. one day i look forward to hearing their testimony about how they got sunk into this religious cult. mr. parnas wrote chairman comber and me a remarkable letter on july 23, 2023. this is the first time i am meeting him today. he was rudy giuliani's right- hand man. is globetrotting language interpreter in the mission to manufacturer ukraine and burisma related dirt and smears against joe biden. he spent all this time traveling around the world trying to stage evidence against joe biden. in his letter, he explains that the desperate search to find evidence of any kind of biting corruption was a complete and total blast. because there was no evidence to find. he wrote to tell us that, not only is there no evidence in ukraine, but more darkly, the manic search for a smoking

there are people who are -- sarah matthews was a deputy press secretary in the white house.that the threat is existential. i'm going to support him. i'm a conservative, right? she's a woman who is about 30 years old, if that. bill barr, i mean, have some courage here. >> i mean, that's the thing. you have these women like cassidy hutchinson who was willing to stand up. >> mm-hmm. >> and others that were willing to stand up and speak out. with bill barr, you're right. i think so much is just afraid of this mob. being concerned about that. also, we've seen it with rudy giuliani, there's just this desperate desire for relevance. you have -- >> yeah. >> you know, if joe biden is re-elected, leonard leo and his $1.4 billion is not going to be deciding who is on the supreme court. if leonard leo and his $1.4 billion do help decide who is basically going to be bought onto the supreme court, you have somebody like bill barr who suddenly becomes extraordinarily relevant. because they are catholic culture warriors, fellow travelers. >> yeah. >> barr will be relevant, one way or the ot