with me in the studio, kathryn lucy, jeff zeleny, michael warren, and sarah morrie.is striking to hear, again, if you know the history of michael cohen, the loyalty to the president and to businessman donald trump before he was a candidate. i will not be a punching bag as part of anyone's defense strategy. i will not allow others to depict me that way. the president knows some of the things michael cohen knows. you don't do this interview unless you're trying to send a message to the president. right? >> he seems to be doing that and the strange thing is, it's noon here in the east on monday and the president has not said a word about this. that's five hours after it first aired and even more after it appeared online. that to me is the unusual thing. the president processing this, watching it very carefully. there's no one in the president's orbit who has been around as long, who's not a member of the family, than michael cohen. this is intriguing on every level. you get the sense that something much more is happening with michael cohen's case this week. >> were bank