now politicians, sarah palin. [ laughter ] mrs. palin just posted on facebook that she tripped and fell while doing something called "rock-running." not sure what rock-running is, but i think it's when you jog while playing air guitar, and whew. and whew. no guitar? there's no guitar over there? [ laughter ] [ guitar music ] [ laughter ] you just found out the entire band is preregard recorded every night. -- prerecorded every night. they're standing there doing that every time. listen to what happened. palin fell and hit her head on a rock. don't worry, she's ok or, you know, the same. and the proof that sarah palin hasn't lost a step is that she somehow turned her own head injury into an attack on hillary clinton. this is her actual post on facebook.

alex: that is julian moore playing sarah palin. uest knows a thing or two about playing palin in debate prep. she's a former governor of michigan and advisor to correct the record and was the stand-in for sarah palin during joe for they vice presidential debate. how did you end up playing sarah palin in that debate? governor granholm: it's a great question. i think he probably picked me because i was not a washington insider. i was a governor and she's a governor, so i think i'm the only governor who had small children at home, so there were a lot of similarities in terms of personal circumstances, so they called, i accepted, and i heard you talking to james carville and it requires a huge amount of rep. john: the reason we -- huge amount of prep. john: there's a lot of speculation about who is going to play donald trump. these are both large challenges because those people are famous and at least in one case, they have outsized personalities. what did you do to transform yourself into sarah palin? : if you'reanholm going to play th

alex: that is julianne moore playing sarah palin. in the hbo movie game change. . as he prepares for a big debate. our next guest knows a thing or two about playing palin in debate prep. jennifer granholm is the former governor of michigan and advisor to the group correct the record, and was the stand-in for sarah palin during joe biden's prep for the 2008 presidential debate. great to see you. how did you end up playing sarah palin in that debate? governor granholm: it's a great question. you know, i got a call saying what i do it? i think they probably picked me because i was not a washington insider. i was a governor and she's a governor. i think i was the only governor who had small children at home, or young children at home. so there were a lot of similarities in terms of personal circumstances, so they called, i accepted, and i heard you talking to james carville earlier. yeah, it requires a huge amount of rep. the reason we, are talking about this right now is there is a lot of speculation about who is going to play donald trump. the debate prep with hilla

what did you do to try transform yourself into sarah palin?person, you have to internalize them. you have to believe, you have to really become that character and believe in that character. even though in sarah palin's case, obviously, there is a lot of terrible stories leading up to that. i went in and i watched every single debate she had ever done. i watched all of her statements. i read everything about it that i possibly could. i know what persona she brought to this match with mccain so i was able to, once i got there, to try out some both lines of attack on joe biden as well as respond in the way i thought that sarah palin would respond. >> governor, one of the hurdles, it sounds like, for anybody who will play trump. someone who is willing to sort of assault verbally or rhetorically, however you want to describe it, secretary clinton in the way that trump might on the debate stage. there's a lot of thinking that he will open up the cannon fodder, if you will, when they take debate stage. who is brave enough to do that to secretary clin

john: sarah palin became the brunt of jokes for saying this. the caricature of sarah palin. >> i can see russia from my house. john: she never said her house. >> her biggest gaffe came in her book "going rogue." she said her daughter asked her mother why don't you ever cry. and said if this were a murder mystery, this would be the sociopath. john: al gore once said this. >> during my service in the united states congress i took the initiative in creating the internet. john: thank you, al, enjoying your internet. fewer people know that when gore was given a tour of thomas jefferson's home he didn't recognize some of the more famous founders. john were democrats don't get the dan quayle and sarah palin treatment. >> ronald reagan, dan quayle, there will always be somebody they attack. now we have a presidential candidate no one can say is dumb, donald trump. john: coming up, more mocking of vice presidents. when president eisenhower was asked as richard nixon's contributions as vice president. he replied. if you give me a week, i might think of o

without further ado, i present governor sarah palin. want to say how excited i am to be in front of both the liberal elite media, as well as the liberal regular media. i am looking forward to a portion of your questions, so, um, let's get started. yes, you. what were your thoughts on senator mccain's debate performance wednesday? i just thought he was great, because the american people are angry, and john mccain is angry too, and you can tell he's angry by the way he sighs and grits his teeth, and he's always going, like, "graaahhh!" you know, and that barack obama, well, if he's angry, i certainly can't tell. his words are smooth when he's talkin'.

is sarah palin right?he went in a little bit on him being wish she wash she, saying if he did it the outcome wouldn't be right. >> i think it may have been portrayed in the beginning as a tougher policy than it was. he's been consistent on he wants, whether you like the idea or not, people can see he's been consistent on wanting to build a wall, wanting to secure the borders >> didn't he is he wanted to support the 11 million undocumented immigrants >> what he's talked about is when people are brought in by the justice system for other reasons, then you send them back. so that the been mainly sending folks who have committed crimes, you know, back. not, you know, not, not general deportation. that has not generally been what he's been saying. >> i think you might be able to admit he came out of the box really, really tough on in his word and has softened a little bit. wouldn't you agree with that? >> he does a lot of press conferences and i think we should note hillary clinton has done one over 250 days an

[ laughter ] now politicians, sarah palin. [ laughter ] mrs. palin just posted on facebook that she tripped and fell while doing something called "rock-running." not sure what rock-running is, but i think it's when you jog while playing air guitar, and whew. and whew. no guitar? [ guitar music ] [ laughter ] you just found out the entire band is preregard recorded every night. -- prerecorded every night. they're standing there doing that every time. listen to what happened. palin fell and hit her head on a rock. don't worry, she's ok or, you know, the same. and the proof that sarah palin hasn't lost a step isth injury into an attack on hillary clinton. this is her actual post on facebook. "leave hillary alone, bullies. aww, c'mon guys, give her a break, anyone could be out of commission for weeks on end whilst in the heat of battle for the highest office in the land. heck, even those of us claiming to be fit as a -- seasoned? -- fiddle hit bumps in the wellness i -- remember piper's middle name is "grace" mine isn't rock-running recently. i tri

this is what sarah palin said. if mr.-washy position taken on things that the core foundation of his has so appreciated and that is respecting our constitution and respecting law and order in america, then yeah, there would be massive disappointment. those trump supporters piled up behind him during the primary process because this was his cornerstone piece, they may fall to the side. congressman meeks, let me turn to you as the democrat, the hillary clinton supporter. even as recent as yesterday hillary clinton was saying take mr. trump at his word. when he initially descended the escalator and made the speech and referred to some mexicans and drug dealers and criminals. but on the flip side if he does soften, that could be troublesome for you all. >> not troublesome for me. because clearly what donald trump is, is a con man. what a con man does, he'll say anything generally for your money, in this case for your vote. he conned his way into getting the republican nomination and now he is trying to flip around and sometim

sarah palin there saying maybe a huge erosion of support. does donald trump have a problem here?> well, as long as he -- from his point of view keeps saying amnesty and i'm going to build a wall, that's like a safe zone for him. i mean, that's really where the -- the points that they keep trying to push. that conservatives will sort of accept maybe some, you know, sort of practical, you know, thinking that comes out, as long as he's saying those things. look o tuesday he was saying softening. on thursday, to anderson cooper, he's saying hardening. there's a real muddle here. it reminds me of hillary clinton's kind of tortured explanations around the emails that went on for a year. it's like finding your way. the things is that hillary figured out eventually -- trump has 11 weeks to kind of get a large number of undecided voters to come to -- >> i'm going to give you an opportunity, boris. you advise the campaign. what is trump's position? deport the 11 million or not deport? >> the position is multilayer. first, all those illegal immigrants who have committed crimes in this count

most powerful, and she wasn't afraid to use those powers. >> reporter: one of those films boosted sarah palin. >> one of the reasons i want to make it the mean that's out there is that governor palin is caribou barbie, she's a complete and total bimbo, and she's an ideolock, okay? sarah palin as alaska's governor is exactly the opposite. >> reporter: another tried to take down president obama before the 2012 election. >> you were angry because you were basically lied to. >> we're not even halfway there yet. >> and i think disappointed because we thought there was going to be a change. everyone who voted for him thought there was going to be a change. >> reporter: at the time bannon told cnn that the film was just a way for disgruntled reporters to vent their frustrations. >> in their looifives they feele the economy is not coming back. this is a film of the working class and middle class of this country. >> reporter: it's also a staple of breitbart. hillary clinton has been a target of the trump site. establishment types like paul ryan, immigrants and the news media. >> these guys come to was

the original momma grizzly, sarah palin. in my own research i studied conservative movements for a long time including the christian right. i would say that an earlier-right wing movements women have been a part of the movements but more behind the scenes rather than front and center. excuse me. there have been some notable exceptions to that rule. phyllis known to stop the era in the 1970's. one of the women that i interviewed, the first thing this woman said to me when we sat down for the interview was phyllis was tea party before she was party. and she's actually right if you look at some of the writings and still today. generally speaking while conservative women have been active in politics, they haven't been front and center. that's really what prompted the book. why are so many women out in front of the movement and then i we wanted to know the significance of this for american politics, so many of you are here, you probably follow american politics closely, you heard of the gender gap in american poption. since 1980

sarah palin has so far only given a newspaper interview to the "wall street journal." when she starts speaking loudly it will be more of an issue. he has canceled his speech again. i think on wednesday it was supposed to be in arizona. not doing it. >> this is about getting his numbers with minority voters up even just a few fractions of a point. >> suburban -- >> or amongst suburbanites who think he's intolerant up a bit. >> he is doing what he's always done on every issue, which is to try to take all the sides so everyone can hear what they want. immigration was a notable exception to that. he said everything is negotiable, which ought to have been a red flag to people who want him to be absolutist. now he's demonstrating that indeed everything is negotiable. he has a meeting with hispanic leaders and feels them out. he has different people in his ear. i don't think it's more complicated than that. i don't think there is a grand strategy. it's literally him feeling out in public, taking a poll of the fox news audience and trying to tell them what they want to hear in

-- it was selected as -- >> who do you think is more fit prt presidency, donald trump or sarah palin? >> i think he's very fit, donald trump. i think he's perfectly fit for the presidency as sarah palin was in 2008, now she's a private individual. >> i want you to listen to something that donald trump said today about his wife's immigration status. let's listen to this. >> by the way, they said my wife might have come in illegally, can you believe that one. no, no, no, they said headlines "maybe she came in illegally, maybe" let me tell you one thing, she's got it so documented so she's going to have a news conference over the next couple of weeks, that's good. i love it. i love it. they said, she may have come into our country illegally and how would that be for donald trump. >> so his wife is going to have a news conference on this subject, will she release all of her -- >> the family, you know, specific documents after -- she's not running for president. she's a spouse. >> the polls -- >> the polls look bad, do you see any possible reversal of this momentum for donald trump, espec

sarah palin did not. tom eagleton in 1982 did not and was dropped from the ticket.o serving as attack dog but principle role is to unify their base, their party, and to assure the american people that they are ready to assume the presidency if something were to happen to the president. >> two sides of that. one, the vice presidential nominee can offset weaknesses here. pence can address veterans issues and talk about how he understands the operation of a state in calling perhaps some favors in the battleground states to those other governors that say, okay, we both understand each other and what we need but then there's also this year of pence and his statements and beliefs with rega to lgbt policy that will go the other way. where do you sort of assess and put pence? >> he's an interesting pick because he and trump have a good cop/bad cop dynamic. trump does clean up in aisle 4 dynamic. we can't see a ton of results from the work that pence has been doing. what stands out to me is the fact that in the case in senator jeff flake, one of the most staunch opponents to

you were a stand-in for sarah palin. how does it usually work?well, first of all, you are notified that -- or you are asked to be the stand-in, a good couple of weeks before you actually go to debate camp which generally is close in time to the first debate. and so as the stand-in you have got to bone up on all of this. you have to study that person's positions, watch all of their prior debates if they had them. you have to look at all of their prior statements, really internalize that person so that when you're standing there you can respond as they would and study up on your opponent so you will be able to deliver some zingers or attack and pivot. it's a game of three dimensional chess. know what your point is and and tis pate how you will attack your opponent. >> so obviously preparing a debate against donald trump is unique. walk us through the advice. you have to have someone who can really do an excellent job as donald trump. >> or maybe two people. who knows which will show up on any given day. >> he might be the calmer donald trump. he ca

>> before he had trump in his sights he had sarah palin. he was casting around for a populist republican figure. >> there was nothing there with her. she had the right cut of the jib, she came off great in the beginning but she didn't know anything. you have to know something. don't you? don't you have to have some content? she's very attractive politically. i get the whole thing. when she came on the stage people said wow, this is a westerner, a woman with some style and political point of view and is not afraid to say it. but when you get into the interviews and she thinks it's a trick question when you say what do you read, that's not a trick question. >> that's where hollywood comes in. he makes a documentary in 2011 about sarah palin that mythologizes her and tells the story she's a great leader. >> how do you know that? who said? that's the problem. >> he decided in the course of research. >> bill what's his name, kristol, they went out there and said this is a superstar, we met her up in alaska. >> she was. she was a popular republic

sarah palin warned him not to embrace "wishy washy positions that could provoke cbs credibilitior lesley sanchez says trump has to be careful with his core supporters but also practical. >> he is starting to realize that he's not going to win a general election campaign unless he talks about an approach that is compassionate and realistic. as much as the cry will continue to be vocal and loud, it's not going to change the political reality in the calculus if he tries to win in november. >> after fighting off trump's clinton had no events today. >>> rattled passengers after a man wearing only underwear rams a pickup into a plane bound for denver. >> i start hearing people go oh, my goodness, seriously? >> and new video of an amazing rescue. a police officer risking his life to saving a man from a burning car. >> and why maine's governor left a profanity-filled voicemail. >> you little son of a [ truckers. >> nice and calm along the front range, not so over the western sections of the state. moisture flow continues. i'll tell you if these storms make it to the metro area. and a warmup this

. >> the sarah palin treatment is the focus to just on donald trump. as a springboardblown out of proportion? >> there been threats made to the trump campaign as the result. >> that's not good too. >> we knew would be a raucous campaign. number one, he never suggested in any way shape or form that anyone pick up a gun and harm her at all. what he suggested was and what i have set for a long time and i stand by this, and so do his people we want the second people, the gun people, my people i belong to the nra i want these folks to come out and vote big time. i want them to vote for the senate people and for the president and anyone else. we want to make sure to get in it so we could get the supreme court justices in. >> that was not what he was talking about. >> our second amendment right. your second amendment is one thing. what he was saying was using the second amendment against hillary clinton. those were his words. it wasn't about protecting your rights. it was in the context of the supreme court and saying people were going to use their second ame

we quote sarah palin in our story today don't go wishy washy on immigration that is a big problem for you and a pretty clear warning shot across his bow. >> thank you, jerry. on "face the nation" on sunday, a interview former interview with dr. ben carson and donna brazile and jason >>> the earthquake fatalities climbed to 267 in italy. seth doane is outside of a village with people forced from their homes in pescara del tronto. >> good morning. we are here at a camp for those who have been displaced. you can see supplies are being handed out. the people here have had to endure aftershocks that have continued to rock this region. around a thousand so far and rescuers here tell us that is hampering rescue efforts. workers using sniffer dogs have been combing through wreckage. firefighter franco mentavon is one of them. >> we are heave to save the people and not remove the people who are dead, but to find the people dead is a very important for the parents. >> reporter: for the family to be able to have some closure? >> yes. it is very important, yes. >>or hours, he told us, hopes of fi

we quote sarah palin ie wishy-washy on immigration. that's a pretty clear warning shot. >> jerry seib, good to see you. on "face the nation", dr. ben carson, plus dnc chair, donna brazil, and jason chaffetz, here on somebody's. >>> a powerful 7.4 magnitude aftershock rocked central italy. the death toll from the earthquake climbed to 267. hopes of finding more survivors trapped in collapsed buildings are fading. seth doane is outside the village of pescara del tronto. good morning, seth. >> reporter: good morning. we are here at a camp for those who have been displaced. you can see supplies are being handed out. the people here have had to endure aftershocks that have continued to rock this region around 1,000 so far. and is hampering rescue efforts. workers using sniffer dogs have been combing through wreckage, firefighter frank omenta is one of the rescuers. >> we're trying to remove the people dead, but we find the people dead is very important for the parents. >> reporter: for the family to be able to have closure. >> yes, very, it

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those that were highly critical points to negative treatment of sarah palin and those running for higher office. and others complain it is too bureaucratic you don't have to cut through these different players compared to the republican and party. so nowadays are too much to compromise. but we have all these women that are very outspoken what does this mean? that they hold greater appeal black's so i move from examining uh two-party leaders and activists caloric those that sympathize with the tea party but not at active. relying on data from 2012 survey at that point i found 9 percent of american women won to be part of the two-party in our part of the minority. they identified as republicans so 72 percent so clearly bear argot population they are overwhelmingly white despite their reservations about the g.o.p. and 3 percent are democrats but in terms of economics i would describe comfortably eve middle-class. slightly more college-educated. and to be socially conservative. to find a two-thirds of a tea party women identify as born-again christians say you are not surprised they are cons

sarah palin from that moment was really toast. she was labeled as an idiot.n you compare eight years later to what donald trump has said, he is not being taken as an idiot. he is not losing his base for that. are we simply even less informed eight years ago that people don't care if you know anything, if you don't care that russia has gone into ukraine because you don't know where ukraine is and you don't care, or has he made such a bond with that base that they're just simply not going to be moved. >> is one of the reasons that base doesn't care is because they're so disheartened by washington? if you take the political elite, they can answer all those questions and they are informed but they're not doing anything. they've said i'm done with political correctness, i just want change. >> absolutely. that is the dominating factor of this year's election. people are hungry for change, but they also i think fear the change donald trump will bring. do they go with hillary clinton who does not represent change. that's why bill clinton kept saying she's a change-ma

rocketing to fame during the tea party wave, producing sarah palin, dubbed the most dangerous political operative in america, he is no friend to establishment republicans or the rnc. >> we're also not telling them how to think. we're not telling them who to vote for. we put the stories up. you come to your own conclusions. >> reporter: breitbart has often taken on trump's battles. >> steve bannon and breitbart have basically made a living attacking other republicans and conservatives. this is their modus operandi and vilify those and attack people they disagree with. >> reporter: and kelly ann is a calming influence who can tell trump no and travel with him. >> talking about a shake-up, it doesn't feel that way. >> reporter: trump is trailing in the polls and hillary clinton in battleground ohio seizing on the news. >> i think it's fair to say, donald trump has shown us who he is. he can fire and fire wants from his campaign. >> reporter: having tried it the traditional way, trump is now back to his way. katy tur, nbc news, new york. >> reporter: i'm hallie jackson in new york. tonight,

40% base or ceiling, and base of his supporters who supported him from day unwith, people like sarah palin and ann coulter coming down hard. this extremely emotional issue for people. if he hedges just a little bit, he is amnesty don, which was trending on twitter. harris: what does he do? how does he keep, as mike pence, governor said said, the flavor, if you will, fabric of what he put out there early on yet play politics of putting in a term that might move him to the middle. melissa: this may be more clever than we're give him clever more. and maybe hashed by his team and maybe everything coming out of his mouth is focused group to death. i feel now his statement or his position on immigration is like ink blots. you look at it see in what you want to. you can make it into almost anything. for people listening, i liked him, but this idea we were going to ship people back homemade me really nervous he kind of softened. hardcore people would say say anything to get elected go for it. ann coulter, what she is going so do, vote for hillary clinton? i don't think so. meghan: she will not vot

sarah palin warned him not to embrace "wishy washy positions that could provoke mass disappointment." cbs credibilitior lesley sanchez says trump has to be careful with his core supporters but also practical. >> he is starting to realize that he's not going to win a general electionam is compassionate and realistic. as much as the cry will continue to be vocal and loud, it's not going to change the political reality in the calculus if he tries to win in november. >> after fighting off trump's accusations of racism yesterday, clinton had no events today. >>> rattled passengers after a man wearing only underwear rams a pickup into a plane bound for denver. oh, my goodness, seriously? >> and new video of an amazing rescue. a police officer risking his life to saving a man from a burning car. >> and why maine's governor left a profanity-filled voicemail. >> you little son of a [ cursing ] >> and putting the brakes on truckers. >> nice and calm along the front range, not so over the western sections of the state. moisture i'll tell you if these storms make it to the metro area. and a warmu

this race got attention after sarah palin suggested that ryan could be defeated in this primary election, and donald trump refused at first to throw his support behind ryan, before late last week endorsing him. paul ryan paul ryan says: in times as uncertain as these, it is easy to rs into people's fears. that stuff sells, but it doesn't stick. it doesn't last. most of all it doesn't work. around here, we look beyond the noise and the static. ryan will face democrat ryan solen, an iraq war veteran, in the november 8th general election. state senator lena taylor has earned herself four more years in madison. this after knocking off state 39 percent. some staffers even say they were surprised at the margin of victory. literally i hurt my ankle. i hurt my hand, my voice went out, we had problems with th air conditioner in the campaign office. it was just hinge after thing. challenge after challenge. but in the end despite all of the the people spoke. and they worked. this was the first time n primary opponent. there is no republican challenger in november, meaning the state senator is all b

the desk is the most powerful and she wasn't afraid to use those powers. >> one of those boosted sarah palinhe mean that's out there is that governor palin is caribou barb barbie. she's a complete and total bimbo and an ideologuideologue. the imperical evidence in alaska's governor is exactly the opposite. >> another tried to take down president obama before the 2012 election. >> you're angry because you were basically lied to. >> we're not even half way there yet. >> and i think disappointed because we thought there was going to be a change. everyone that voted for him thought there was going to be a change. >> at the time bannon told cnn the film was a way for disgruntled obama supporters to vent their frustrations. >> when you talk to them they feel the country is more divided than ever and in their lives they feel the economy is not going back. this is a film of the working class and middle class in this country. >> the same kind of popular rhetoric is a tape elf breitbart. hillary clinton has been popular. close behind, paul ryan, immigrants and the news media. >> these guys come to was

it's rush limbaugh, it's governor sarah palin, it's other people who want donald trump to w win, who are saying, wow, it sounds like he's really backing away from this deportation force, removing 11 million. and right now, governor, you're not saying, you're not pledging that there will be a removal of all undocumented immigrants. you're not saying that. >> no, what i'm saying, jake, and what i said to you a minute ago, and i want to be very clear, there'll be no path to legalization, no path to citizenship -- >> right. >> people who want to gain legal status, will have to leave the country. >> but what about the millions in this country right now? what happens to them? >> i think donald trump will articulate what we do with the people who are here -- >> we, he already has articulated -- >> -- >> but i promise you, donald trump are more concerned about american citizens, who are here legally, who are struggling in this economy. you have a dad in ohio who's working two jobs and mom has a side job and they're trying to make ends meet and they haven't seen their real personal income com

. >> reporter: and sarah palin's own son-in-law, one of the few living medal of honor recipients from combat in afghanistan, shaming trump with this. "if real donald trump wants to be the commander in chief he needs to act like one, and that can't start until he apologizes to the khans." tonight on fox news, still no apology from the candidate. but a partial recognition of the khan family >> obviously -- i mean, there's no greater sacrifice than you lose a son or a daughter, and you know, in the way that this happened. and i understand that. but regardless, i was viciously attacked. >> we'll have more on this controversy tomorrow on "gma." >>> now we turn to a team taking things to new heights literally. launching into stomach-churning, possibly deadly stunts. sky surfing into the belly of a thunderstorm. not just for thrills. here's abc's rob marciano with our series "pushing the limits." >> reporter: there is skydiving, and then there is what this man does. jumping, surfing, flat-out flying through the clouds. >> i put the board on, and it really -- it feels more like my sport bike.

i believe you played -- >> sarah palin! >> sarah palin for joe biden.let me show you a clip of the real debate and how do you prepare anyone to, you know, how do you prepare them to anticipate what is unconventional candidate. pailen is best analog for donald trump on the other side. let's watch how the other debate started. >> we welcome governor pailen and senator biden. >> nice to meet you. can i call you joe? thanks. >> can i call you joe? you couldn't have anticipated this. >> i did not anticipate that. but, you know, you have to be become the person. you have to embody that character. and she was an outsider. she, obviously, didn't know the ways of washington. joe biden knows the ways of washington, knew what was very steeped in policy. she was not. so there's -- there are interesting analogies here. >> david plouffe said yesterday you have to prepare for donald trumps. the donald trump who, you know, ridicule ed marco rubio and jeb bush in debates and called them names and is it the donald trump more appropriate and which one shows up or both? >>

in 2008, when sarah palin was chosen as the vice presidential nominee by john mccain, and i was workingbama/biden ticket, we asked jennifer granholm, then-governor of michigan, to play sarah palin in the debates. she spent hours poring through tapes and completely inhabited the character in ways that we thought were ludicrous at the time but it was very predictive of what biden was going to see and made him a much better candidate when he stepped on that stage. >> stuart, i heard you say the most you can hope for in any debate is achieving three goals. what are the goals? >> well, i think first of all, the most important thing is to have those goals and to really have a strategy session where you define those goals, debate those goals and write them down. >> to know what you want going into a debate. >> and how to execute them. know what you want and how you can execute that. if you do that, if you just think about it, there's a limit to how much any debate won't be a success, if you have got serious goals that resonate with the campaign and you get them done. i think if you just look a