. >> reporter: but joe biden's first question in the 2008 vp debate came from sarah palin. >> hey, can i call you joe? a setup for this line. >> say it ain't so, joe. >> i am not going to exploit for political purposes my opponent's youth and inexperience. . >> reporter: and it's not just candidates in the hot seat. >> more astronauts have actually travelled to outer space than have sat in a moderator's chair for a presidential or vice presidential debate. >> good evening. >> reporter: cbs elaine quijano moderated the last vice presidential debate. >> elaine, let me finish a sentence. >> you can feel that temperature sort of rising. i just had a reflexive moment where it was just basically pulling it out of my parental toolbox. >> gentlemen -- gentlemen, the people at home cannot understand either one of you when you speak over each other. >> reporter: and, remember, sometimes it's not something said, but sarah palin's wink. >> how long have i been at this, like, five weeks? >> reporter: donald trump's looming stare or al gore's size as he crept up. check out the look on george w. bush

that was his debate with sarah palin. another interesting sort of historical moment that occurred that cycle, that is the only time that a vice presidential debate drew more viewers than the top of the ticket presidential debate. there was great interest in that -biden debate. much of it was prompted by folks tuning and wanting to see sarah palin. we can talk about the effect of entertainment media and other influences on the debate moment. there was a lot of that going on that year as it drew interest to sarah palin's debate performance. viceect that the presidential debate in this series with particularly the theusion of kamala harris, first woman of color on a major bety ticket, there will great interest in this vice presidential debate. we also fine-tune in terms of ial the vice president debates matter, much of them focused on those candidates defending their running mate and attacking the top of the ticket. as opposed to the two vice presidents examining their own issue, positions or records. that tends to be the ha

for american progress who helped joe biden prepare against his vice presidential debate against sarah palin. first, peter, what are you hearing from both campaigns as we get closer to tonight's big showdown? >> andrea, i want to take you into the room, very quickly, if i can, to give you a sense of what this room looks like. on the left, that's the lectern that president trump will use. the one on the right is for joe biden. they're flipping a coin which they've already done to determine that president trump will receive the first question as part of this 90-minute debate. you made the point about coronavirus testing. that means no awkward elbow bump, no handshake at all, just 80 to 100 people in the room here. but to the politics of this evening, i've been speaking to some of the president's aides and those close to joe biden as well. from the president, they say he's going to try to sort of play the role, keep it steady, but look for him to go after joe biden on a series of topics including biden's son's business doings. a bipartisan senate committee found no wrongdoing by the former vice

and we looked at the reviews of his 2008 debate against sarah palin.e washington post" put it this way. mr. biden, a far better-known quantity and more experienced debater, did well in part by not messing up. obviously the stakes are much higher, he's running for president. what does joe biden have to do beyond not messing up? >> well, i mean, i think he really does focus on facts and how policy affects people. he really does focus on the impact of these things. now, debating donald trump is not like debating any kind of normal candidate. he's much more vicious than the usual candidates. you can really see that from 2016, he'll just call names and things like that. so i think you have to be prepared, and i think a really important part of this is to fact check, to be able to consistently provide facts to people in real time. so you're not just debating -- >> so that's a key question for me. i mean, the vice president has made kind of a joke, he said he would like to have a lower screen that kind of scrolls the fact check. the fact is "the washington po

was down, maybe the better measure is that in the two vice presidential debates he had against sarah palin and paul ryan, he was better. but i do think that if you see where the polls are, they've been utterly kind of almost static with biden having a substantial lead and a reasonable lead in the battleground states that president trump will do anything and everything he can. and as we've seen for five years, if you try to predict what donald trump is going to do, you know, you're in for a fool's errand. >> sreenivasan: all right. jeff greenfield joining us from santa barbara. thanks so much. >> thank you, hari >> sreenivasan: for more on the presidential debates and other national and international news, visit pbs.org/newshour. >> sreenivasan: healthcare is almost always a top issue for voters, and this year, as the u.s. remains the center of the coronavirus pandemic, access to health insurance has taken on even more importance. georgia has had more than 300,000 confirmed coronavirus infections and 6,900 deaths. it's also a statwith one of the highest rates of uninsured people in the coun

we could go back to the paul ryan debate in 2012 we could go to the the debates that he had with sarah palin in 2008 or we could look at the bernie sanders the more current debates the bird sanders debates that he had as recently as march of this year and one on one he does a very good job he was having difficulty in my opinion when you had 6 or 7 people on stage and he was trying to break through i think that was a harder harder debating format for him but one on one i think he's going to surprise piece something which is a top. the vice. and all this sort of and so he's decidedly lowered. the vice president's incompetence or his slogan is that all this sort of stuff and so he's decided debates for the vice secure a pledge that a 6 between trump and roger stone that that would be because i don't think that that would be acceptable to mike pence but if you read michael's book i went and then he would resign shortly prior to the end of the term so that the 1st woman president and then. i definitely think as you know from mr trump's unpredictable behavior and his recklessness and his wrists ta

we could go back to the paul ryan debate in 2012 we could go to the the debates that he had with sarah palin in 2008 or we could look at the bernie sanders the more current debates the bird sanders debates that he had as recently as march of this year and one on one he does a very good job he was having difficulty in my opinion when you had 6 or 7 people on stage and he was trying to break through i think that was a harder harder debating format for him but one on one i think he's going to surprise people and i'll tell you something which is a mistake by president trump he talks about. the vice president's incompetence or his slogan is that all this sort of stuff and so he's decidedly lowered expectations for these debates for the vice president so that's really good news for the vice president will surprise on the upside in the expectations are lower than they should be michael cohen president trumps form a personal lawyer someone you know very well has a memoir out called just soil he predicts that of trump loses the election he will resign before election day secure a pledge that his succ

. >> reporter: but joe biden's first question in the 2008 vp debate came from sarah palin. >> hey, canhis line. >> say it ain't so, joe. >> i am not going to exploit for political purposes my opponent's youth and inexperience. . >> reporter: and it's not just candidates in the hot seat. >> more astronauts have actually travelled to outer space than have sat in a moderator's chair for a presidential or vice presidential debate. >> good evening. >> reporter: cbs elaine quijano moderated the last vice presidential debate. >> elaine, let

where would be right now if john mccain and sarah palin had one? that would be an interesting exercise to engage in. >>host: along with your most recent book which is a memoir, he you have written other books, actually this is nonfiction steaming to bamboo let. >> i was a merchant marine. >> right martini. >> the schema in the nineties it is a collection. >> 2007 supreme court ship. also little green men which came out and 2004. >> if you say so but i think it was 1999. >> wednesday what is transitioning? it is a the looming social security crisis and the woman comes up with the idea the government sense there is 77 million baby boomers getting ready to retire at this link of the social security system she proposes the government incentivized baby boomers suicide and you get tax breaks. so you have to have that euphemism coming up with voluntary transitioning. >>host: how do you come up with the idea for that? it sounds like a dinner party discussion. >> the hardest part of writing satire today is competing with "usa today". it's not a level playin

. >> he also debated sarah palin, where she wasn't there facing any political risk for not knowing her stuff. it's the performance, and he navigated that brilliantly. >> in a way that didn't help her at all. she didn't -- she was a road kill at the end of that debate. she did what everybody expected her to do. biden is the one that outperformed expectations, when it seemed like there were so many pitfalls. >> you would know that story. >> even now the other thing is i just feel the race is so set. there's very few people who are going to make a decision based on this debate. people have decided -- >> it depends on what happens. somebody gets up there and bites the head off of a bat, people are going to make a decision. are you telling me that's not 100% going to happen? >> that's a whole different show. i believe that the undecided voter is a more decide to vote more than they are i could oscillate between these two people. >> the structural externalities around this race are unescapable. it always feels that way, particularly with covid. there is something structurally about what the

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into the conflict zone with sarah palin for years for lens foreign policy line has been dialogue 1st keep talking no matter what but as russian opposition leader alexina only recovers in a girl in hospital after an apparent poisoning karlin is under pressure my guest this week is germany's deputy foreign minister meals on. conflict so far. he's going to minutes. gemini lift. at any time any place the names. you have i don't like. to sing along to you see has to come from super. interactive exercises. everything is online. interactive in german to frame a 60 w. . percent drama competition why the marketing number goes here by intuition 8. 1000000 times 5. because we. call on you tube. every journey begins with the 1st step and every language is the 1st word because nico is in germany. why not with him. in simple line on your mobile and free. double using a learning course. german made easy. this is the line from police for the western germany launched raids on fellow officers 29 also suspended over the sharing of neo nazi images in child groups 11 now face criminal investigations also

people forget he won the two vice presidential debates he was in against sarah palin and speaker ryan. so you don't want to under estimate someone like that, yet that's exactly what president trump did and reinforced with his base and everybody else. >> of course, now we're all aware of the report put out by "the new york times" that donald trump avoided paying any taxes for ten years and then only paid about $1500 for 2016 and 2017. so how do you expect those revelations to play out in this first debate? how would you think that biden would handle this? >> well, joe biden got a big break. this was released on sunday and it's been top of the news now for more than 24 hours. so most people who watch the debate will be aware of the issue, though we do have over 80 million people expected to watch, incredible. 80 million plus. so this is a gift to joe biden because it's not that ideological a charge. you simply point to the president and say, he paid a lot less taxes than x percent of you and mention some average people, maybe feature it in the ad that biden had out today. almost everybo

bush looking at his watch, sarah palin winking. nonverbal cues about how the night is going will make news. it is hard to tell. joe biden may throw out a couple of technical points to reinforce the claim he is not senile, which is what donald trump has been saying all month since the convention. there is going to be a lot of opportunities for each of them to game out the night. you usually cannot tell until the next date what impact they will have. david: we will all be watching that debate closely and you will be with us. there is also business may be getting done on capitol hill as they talk about maybe a fourth round of stimulus. there is apparently discussion between nancy pelosi and secretary mnuchin. i wonder whether those two could get a deal done. we talked with chuck grassley last week and he said the white house and nancy pelosi agree to something and they have a problem with republican senators. this is what chuck grassley said. grassley: this used to be the white house versus closely. now the present -- versus nancy pel

try to conflict with sarah palin for years for when foreign policy line has been dialogue 1st keep talking no matter what but a russian opposition leader alexina volney recovers in a berlin hospital after an apparent poisoning or limb is under increased pressure my guest this week is germany's deputy foreign minister and meals on the. food. 60 minutes. every journey begins with the 1st step and every language with the 1st word emerged from the group. the coaches in germany to learn german why not with simple online on your mobile and free shop d w z e learning course you can speak german to me to see. the federal reserve lets it hang the world's most powerful central bank says it's prepared to leave the interest rates close to 0 until 2023. and as the issues climate goals become more ambitious dialer unveils the hydrogen powered truck but is attacked ready to go. this is a w business i'm joined now the milan in berlin thank you very much for joining us the u.s. federal reserve is keeping its benchmark interest rate close to 0 for the next few years as it tries to jumpstart the economy and

debate came from sarah palin. >> can i call you joe?humor helped ronald reagan stop questions about his age. >> i am not going to exploit for political purposes my opponent's youth and inexperience. >> and it's not just candidates in the hot seat. >> more astronauts have traveled to outer space than have sat in a moderator's chair for a presidential debate. >> cbs moderated the last vice presidential debate. >> let me finish a sentence. >> you can feel the temperature sort of rising. >> gentlemen, i need to ask you. >> i had a reflexive moment where it was basically pulling it out of my parental tool box. >> gentlemen, the people at home cannot understand either one of you when you speak over each other. >> and remember, sometimes it's not something said but sarah palin's wink. >> how long have i been at this, five weeks? >> donald trump's looming stare, or al gore's side as he crept up. check out the look on george w.'s face, or his father caught looking at his watch which -- >> emphasized the idea he was out of touch with the cares of

that was his debate with sarah palin.eresting sort of historical moment that occurred that cycle, that is the only time that a vice presidential debate drew more viewers than the top of the ticket presidential debate. there was great interest in that -biden debate. much of it was prompted by folks tuning and wanting to see sarah palin. we can talk about the effect of entertainment media and other influences on the debate moment. there was a lot of that going on that year as it drew interest to sarah palin's debate performance. viceect that the presidential debate in this series with particularly the theusion of kamala harris, first woman of color on a major bety ticket, there will great interest in this vice presidential debate. we also fine-tune in terms of ial the vice president debates matter, much of them focused on those candidates defending their running mate and attacking the top of the ticket. as opposed to the two vice presidents examining their own issue, positions or records. that tends to be the hallmark of vi

there are a number of cases now that are -- let's just say, sarah palin versus "the new york times" and a few other ones that convinced me that things might be changing and that this reckless disregard or absence of malice standard. if you purposely edit somebody out of context, it does seem like there's malice involved. a thousand there? >> yes. i was one of the law clerks so i'm very much aware. we went by the way, i blame you for that, it was a horrible decision. >> i have litigated cases under "new york times" but what cnn data, and it pains me to say this because you know i have friends over there. what they did is they just totally doctored the tape. it's as if i said, i don't believe a president can do anything and they just had me say a president can do anything. leaving out, i don't believe. they left out when i set about the legality and then you get joe lockhart getting on the station after they showed just part of the statement and he says, well, dershowitz says that a president can do anything, he can commit any crimes and what he said is just like what hitler and muscling

i would quickly note that biden come of the last time he had a national type of debate against sarah palin, there was a on that debate, and he didn't necessarily win that. and he struggled during the primaries, if you remember pre-covid. he's had an interesting history with these type of debates. republican -- the what sort of republican response is there to president trump's comments yesterday, that he would not necessarily commit to a peaceful transfer of power? kevin: they are saying that he would have a peaceful transfer of power, but several are uneasy about that type of rhetoric. whether or not that becomes even more pushed and more vocal, we will be covering. but beyond that, if you look at the calendar, the november 3 election, the november 10 obamacare opening trial for the supreme court, and of course, the very contentious supreme court confirmation process, november 3 is just the start. , a end of this calendar year government shutdown likely. they have to pass a continuing resolution. it is going to be a very intense end-of-the-year. tom: you go back 60 years to the first debat

one thing he did i thought was impactful and something sarah palin used to do in debates, he spoke directlyo the audience. on coronavirus he looked directly into the camera, if you had a loved one who suffered from this. he did that throughout the night and managedine though -- managed even though they both interrupted each other, he was trying to have a conversation and donald trump interrupted him. this is not a campaign rally. what works in a campaign rally is throwing out those lines, like he is not that smart or you graduated at the bottom of your glass. that doesn't work in a debate. this is supposed to be about policy and getting the undecideds to feel like you are the better option. joe biden's job was to seem like he was coherent and handle the debate stage. i think he did that. i think president trump needs to be a little bit more measured and take and of that tone he uses in rallies and recognize it's a very different forum. >> harris: what is interesting about that, juan, there were just hardly any people in the room. they were only allowed a few guests per candidate. we are in

when they we re against sarah palin when they were ina against sarah palin when they were in ae. i think if he summons some of that, the warmth and the smiles, that will probably be to his advantage, particularly if you have a contrast of somebody looking slightly irritated, being slightly irritated, being slightly grumpy about being there, which, was barack 0bama's problem back in 2012, why am 0bama's problem back in 2012, whyami 0bama's problem back in 2012, why am i hear debaty, i am president of the united states, should not be debating, why don't they just should not be debating, why don't theyjust me a second term? that was a problem for 0bama back in 2012, remember it well, that evening in denver. if that is the personality donald trump brings and by contrast you have joe donald trump brings and by contrast you havejoe biden being warm and accessible and smiling, that is the kind of thing that could potentially sway a few voters. we will see who has what problems tonight and how they deal with them in 15-20 and how they deal with them in 15—20 minutes or so. the moment,

he debated paul ryan, of course, in 2012 and sarah palin in 2008 when he was running for vice president the first time and then for re-election. so biden is maybe a little bit creaky in these one-on-one debates but he's practicing in a traditional way. president trump is behind by quite a lot, so he's going to come into these debates to be ready to go, to get ugly. it's hard for him to make another approach since he has a lot of ground to cover in a relatively short period of time. what's he going to do? he's going to go after biden for his mental acumen. that's been a big focus on the trump team for a while. he's going to suggest there is corruption because of biden's son hunter and his involvement in ukraine. that may seem a little obscure to a lot of voters who are really more worried about their health and the coronavirus and what that's done thoo their job and the economy. but president trump has certainly gone after that for quite some time now. and joe biden just pretty much has to figure out how to navigate around president trump's tendency to not tell the truth and to sort of p

yes, joe biden has debated many times during the primary, memorably against sarah palin and paul ryan anded is a pretty good debater. the white house has start of started to dial back the lowering of the expectations but reality is this. for president trump, this is one of his last best opportunities to try and reframe this conversation to make joe biden an unacceptable alternative. he's been unable to do that so far this week and millions of people either are voting or had their ballots in front of them and will be voting so time is running out on that score. what joe biden is going to try to do, and he's watched a lot of trump debates, he,s going to talk about how he is a unifier. i'm told that he's going to not go after the president on every sort of jive he makes, but he's going, to i'm told, say that the country is ready for a president who doesn't exhaust you every day. he's going to be a bit of xan action for democratic voters but also for some of the independent voters who are just looking to see if joe biden can stand up side by side with the president, so that is one of the

he handled sarah palin, paul paul ryan, as he states got smaller he got better. when it was he and bernie sanders, he handled himself well. whatever goes inside to the biden world, they get him psyched up and ready. these are going to be important events, but the trump campaign should do what it can to raise expectations and not lower expectations. >> bill: we will get jacqui heinrich in a moment, but your final answer? >> the polls show that hillary clinton won every debate, she lost the election. it showed mitt romney beating president obama in 2012 in the first debate, he lost the election. these poles and what they say about who won the debate, they are meaningless. the debates are important, they're important for people to see the candidate side-by-side and they each go win with a set of strategic goals that they had those goals then they move onto the next thing in the campaign. and of these matter what the polling says about the debates. >> bill: thank you. we'll talk real soon. thank you. as i mentioned president trump as to north carolina later with bide

jake, i'm thinking back to the debate that joe biden had in the 200 2008 campaign with sarah palin and paul ryan. and it is an unusual thing to be debating with ten people. that is not even like playing the same game. that's like playing football and basketball. this is the same game. the same plan here. we're going to see a contrast between president trump and joe biden. you're going to see him weaving into answers some of the absurdities that the president said about the truth. it's really one of his last best chances for both of them here to reach tens of millions of americans who will be voting. who in fact are voting right now. so that is what is different about this moment in the debate. i'm not sure any of the previous debates are that instructive, because this is a different time and we have the president's record here. going forward, look specifically for joe biden. he also has a bit of a temper. we saw him go after president trump a couple years ago, saying he would take him behind a woodshed. his advisers really have been trying to get under joe biden's skin. and his adviser

participated in a presidential debate but he has participated in two vice presidential's, paul ryan and sarah palin. there is a question of whether there is going be a drug test as though it is an mma fight. there is not going to be. president trump said he would submit some sort of a sample for a performance-enhancing drug destest, he alleges that biden s been taking something. a campaign official looks like it like this. "vice president intends to deliver his answers in words rate if the president thinks his best case is made in urine, he can have at it." there are plenty of very qualified people in the neighborhood here who could administer such a test but it's not going to happen. bill? >> bill: thank you, peter. peter doocy watching that one. we will bring in our panel, dana perino, anchor of "the daily briefing" and cohost of "the five" and juan william will enter our discussion as well. nice to see you both. what is your expectation tomorrow? it's the first time i've had a chance to ask you what you think happens. >> i think it's clear that the president is trailing in the polls pretty consi

there you go pointing backwards -- >> reporter: to sarah palin serving up red meat for comedians in almost. >> reporter: i practiced a couple zingers where i call you joe. >> reporter: all of that gets a massive audience. last time around the first debate drew more than 80 million viewers, people looking for some of make up their minds. anderson? >> tom, thanks very much. >>> still to come, a new cnn film on the late congressman and civil rights leader john lewis. i'll speak with dramont green. sixty percent of my nannies got laid off. i had to furlough my office team. dave is my financial advisor at northwestern mutual. he's like a father to me. he reached out to me. and then reminded me that years of planning with him set me up for success. i was able to rehire my staff. and now i can prepare more for the future. where we've got the best deals on refrigerators, microwaves, gas ranges and grills. and if you're looking for... ♪ smooth driving pays off with allstate the safer you drive the more you save ♪ you've never been in better hands allstate click or call for a quote today allstate as

he held his own against sarah palin in 2008. he's been in washington for 47 years.d do good. if he has to defend his record, might not do so well. but i think he'll be prepared to debate. but i believe donald trump is going to beat him because of his superior record on the issues and the fact that donald trump will be better for working americans over these next four years than joe biden would be. >> senator cotton, i appreciate your time. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> and there is much more ahead on tonight's high stakes debate in cleveland. how will a key topic tonight, the coronavirus, impact the battleground states. we'll also set the stage for a busy night of fact checking, the candidates and their claims. time ever, include fort disney+, hulu, and espn+. we're a big soccer family. "handmaid's tale ." i love "frozen." then give families plans to mix and match, so you only pay for what you need. and offer it at a price built for everyone. plus, buy the samsung galaxy s20+ 5g for less than $5 per month, and get another on us. the network more people rely

you look at a republican leaders over the last half-century, goldwater to agnew to buchanan to sarah palino trump, that sort of lineage was real. this red-meat republican populist message, all of a sudden the project had far more salience. >> when we first started, the tea party was in the back of our mind. this tea party, anti-obama care, that rhetoric was out there. so we got an email from our co-author jerry on the night of the election that simply said our book just got way more relevant. >> that's right. >> thank you for a wonderful presentation. articulate and well reasoned. in comparing the trump era with nixon-agnew, one huge difference, the labor union difference. trump was able to mobilize many of the white working class men that would have been in labor unions in the 1960's and 70's but not so much anymore. do you address that at all in the book? >> somewhat. this is where agnew was helpful. nixon was beginning to reach out to the white working class. they called him the hard hats. the hardhat voters. he was already starting to have some success peeling them away and part of the

echo chamber, if you look at some of the loudest voices on facebook, it's your breitbart and it's sarah palin graham. and that part of the spectrum has figured out facebook in this moment. your liberal friends must hate it. >> well, look, i think your characterization, frankly, is just wrong. i don't think that the service is a right-wing echo chamber, to use your words. i think that, you know, everyone can use their voice and can find media that they trust that reflects the opinions and the life experiences that they're having. >> so, you know, yasmin, we hear mark zuckerberg there sort of talk about how he disagrees with that characterization, but when you actually look at the data of engagement, the highest engagement posts, those that are liked the most, commented on the most, shared the most, those are more often than not either by conservative voices or posts that contain these right-wing views. so while facebook can say that, you know, you might be seeing things from media organizations, the posts that we're actually engaging with the most on facebook are these right-wing voices. and t

the same with sarah palin was viewed by all the commentators winning the debate.spent 47 years in public service and had a lot of debates. so i think, this notion that somehow he is going to come out on the stage to be unable to hold his own is not accurate. so we'll see. i think it will be an interesting night no matter what. connell: he hasn't been pressed too much though, senator, as you know, that has been the criticism from republicans whether it be not making yourself available to questionss from the media or not sitting down for quote, unquote tough interviews, he will be tonight. so will president trump by chris wallace, the moderator. if you had to come up with question or two for the former vice president where would you be? where do you think biden needs to be pressed this evening? >> i think you're absolutely right. i think the media has been less tough on him than they have been on president trump. so he hasn't had tough questions, even when he has been in a press conference, they seem to pull back on some of the tougher questions. so here's the big d

whether it was sarah palin and the tea party, now trump.nt into its convention with no platform, just basically said whatever trump wants, we want. and i -- if you're not frightened now, if you are not terrified for what could happen, it's not we might have a disputed election. it is we are going to have a disputed election unless trump wins, in which case i shutter to think what four more years of this would be like. >> it does -- it is certainly a waving red flag to armed supporters of the president who feel aggrieved, who believe in conspiracy theorys, who are showing up already to protests to, you know, guard garages and stuff. it certainly puts them on notice that the president is up for the idea of not having a peaceful transfer of power. >> yeah. i think that you simply cannot count on not only the rules, but the norms. what really governed the country, the words on paper aren't important, but we're learning what is so much more important are the norms that people used to apply those words and that certain things were considered off

well, katy, you know, joe biden did do really well in two high-profile, high-pressure debates, sarah palinunconventional. paul ryan a little more conventional. but after barack obama's bomb of a first debate, we really needed him to pick up the ticket. the big things are the big things. you want to win exchanges around the pandemic and trump's mismanaging of it and that you've got a plan, who is going to look after the middle class, people in poverty, who's going to repair alliances. but you can't prepare for trump. i mean he is somebody who -- so joe biden is going to have to be both prepared but also prepared to be very flexible. and i think at the end of the day, the most important thing here is for biden to be tough on trump. this is a very vulnerable incumbent president. his approval ratings are terrible. he's losing in head to head races. he's in the low 40s in many states while his opponent's at 50 or close to it, so you've got to make him pay a price for it. even the notion this week of trump suggesting he's not going to abide by the election returns, joe biden needs to punish him

he held his own against sarah palin in 2008 and against paul ryan in 2012.n the 2020 cycle it was mostly solid but at times uneven. >> no man has a right to raise the hand to a woman in anger other than in self-defense. and that's rarely ever occurs. play the radio, make sure the television -- excuse me, make sure you have the record player on at night. >> if elected you would turn 82 at the end of your first term. >> winston churchill. i was joking. that was a joke. >> tuesday debate night is five weeks to election date. early voting is underway across most of the country. and the race at the moment, anyway, clearly is tilting biden's way. you can see it here remarkable stability in the national polling, a consistent biden lead. look at it across months of volatility in the pandemic. and it has advantaged biden when we take a look at state-by-state polling. look at the upper midwest and industrial states. trump won pennsylvania, trump won wisconsin. biden's ahead. trump won michigan, biden is ahead. hillary clinton won minnesota, but just narrowly. look at

look at sort of republican leaders over the last half century, goldwater to agnew to bucannon to sarah palin to trump, that that sort of lineage was real. this red meat republican populist message all of a sudden we thought the project had far more salience and to a much larger audience. >> right. so, when we first started, the tea party was sort of -- that was kind of in the back of our mind, this sort of tea party anti-obamacare, that sort of rhetoric and spirit was out there. we saw oh this looks familiar to us. and then trump happened, right? so, we got an email from our co-author jerry at 3:00 a.m. on the night of the election that just said simply, our book just got way more relevant. >> first thank you so much for a wonderful presentation, both of you are articulate and well-reasoned. in comparing the trump era with the nixon-agnew era, there's one huge difference that immediately occurred to me. and that's the labor union difference. obviously trump was able to mobilize many of the white working class men that would have been in labor unions in the 1960s and '70s but not so much anym

if he comes across like he did with sarah palin and paul ryan at bernie sanders and he's specific in, than people are going to say "wow. i was wrong and the republicans were wrong about this." if he comes across and says things like he's been in the senate 180 years or 200 people died of covid or he has a you and black type of outburst and he just says trump did this and he doesn't answer specific issues, then people are going to feel they've been had. this candidate was a shadow candidate that was thrust upon them for a larger agenda to carry through the new green deal and the socialist protocols and policies that otherwise didn't get very much support in the democratic primary. >> tucker: it's a reckless move. in the 40 seconds we have, what should the president -- what should his posture be tonight? what should he do to approach it? >> i don't think it helps to go over what he's done, i think everyone understands that we have a booming economy and we have a lot of great foreign policy. he's going to have to defend his policies and you've had guests that made a good point, not in a

also really pick up that populist and nationalist messaging which really started in 2009 with the sarah palin wing of the party. tea party wing. but really accelerated under trump. so you are going to see a further dealignment of fact, and we're seeing some of that in that data, but the other thing is we're going to see a lot of engagement of millennial and genz voters who did not participate in 2016, especially millennials in those suburban areas. that's just going to have a massive change. we're going to see, i think people are going to be really surprised to see how much turnout impacts, and we're already seeing this i think in the data for early ballot requests, for vote by mail requests. and of course, it's been a little polluted by donald trump's messaging against vote by mail for republicans, so it could be that republican requests are down because of that. but the enthusiasm coming on the democratic side for these ballot requests according to target smart's analysis has just been very suggestive of a large turnout of participation surge. that's going to be predominantly concentrated i

the republican party who became very famous for a while but for very different reasons was mike sarah palin days since the world health organisation declared covid—19 a pandemic — today we approach another grim marker. the world is edging closer to one million deaths — according to johns hopkins university. that death toll has doubled in the last three months — and today the who warned we likely are actually beyond that one million figure. if anything, the numbers that are currently reported probably represent an underestimate of those individuals who have either contracted covid—19, or will have died as a cause of it. we're joined now by dr margaret harris, from the world health organisation in geneva. thanks very much forjoining us. was it inevitable that we would get to this milestone of 1 it inevitable that we would get to this milestone of1 million people dying? no, it wasn't inevitable. this virus is very transmissible. it's a lethal, as we've seen, we've lost so many people. but it's also one you can suppress. you've got to do everything to suppress it, but it can be turned around. s

i remember when he debated sarah palin it was a frankenstein and forerunner to what we see in donald trump. we saw him do an excellent job with paul ryan in 2012. i think if he acts as the fact checking prosecutor, he can score wins and it's not about swing voters but about animating and giving those voters that are with him the majority of americans the confidence to go out and vote in this election. >> well, you know, i have a secret fantasy that i kind of wish biden could tag in his running mate, because i'd love to see kamala harris standing on the stage with trump. we'll see how the debate goes. if you could offer the biden campaign one quick piece of advice, ten seconds or less, what would that be? brittany? >> to play to win and to give your vision of america so that voters can be enthused to pull that lever for you. >> play to win. spoken like a true spades player. >> again, make it a trial and the referendum here is on trump. the verdict that the american people need to vote on do we want to be a functioning democracy or go into full blown american dictatorship. if biden mak

sarah palin and a top pailin and i have been conversing on sessions on the internet facebook. since the occupy wall street has started. >> debbie can you relate this to our topic tonight? what is our topic about tom dewey. >> my question is why haven't democrats put somebody else at office and sent barack obama back to africa where he belongs? >> how large. but go to pennsylvania. >> in 1944, i am a world war ii veteran. i still have a good brain. but i still remember things. i feel like 1944 it was roosevelt's time. i think dewey was a very smart person. they just wanted to keep him an office because they were at a board. i think if they were not in war, dewey would have won hands down. >> that is exactly as i said earlier. that was the conundrum. you could not know. it is interesting that that comment all these years later reflects what dewey believed. the strategy was that in a peacetime environment, as grateful as people were to fdr, they would have been willing to turn a page and embark on a different kind of domestic policy. >> let's go to bill. >> could evening. i am re

host: what about sarah palin and in the arctic refuge . to think it should never be allowed to have oil. jimmy carter: never prayed to five have you been to the arctic. jimmy carter: absolutely. host: what is like going there when you why do you say never. what you say it's an empty. sue and i have stood in front of the so-called porcupine card. and this is a herd of about 140,000 animals. my wife and i have gotten in front and when they see us they go by. we've actually flown over a wolf clan of about 30 will spring just off the coast of alaska on the same trip, we observed and they formed a circle to protect the females in the calf in the middle. so we would go fishing in alaska. flyfishing so i have been come quite familiar with alaska. in many of the national parks up there. that was in 1980. i will think they will be preserved. but there's a tremendous pressure from the oil companies i would say to legally bind the members of congress to take any of this beautiful area and make it available for exploration for oil. this was an area wa

opportunities left i worked on joe biden's debate prep in 2008, many years ago, when he was up against sarah palin policies affect people's lives >> i was going to ask both of you about another stimulus question in the context of the debate, i'm curious, actually, where both of you land on this news story that came out i guess now and another second story from "the new york times" related to trump's taxes and whether you think that has any impact in terms of changing people's perception or mind you know, you hear from a lot of people who said this is pretty much what i expected and then put some details or meat on the bones. >> so i'll jump in here. in 2016 when that first story, which was much less significant came out, it actually did hurt trump for a few days hillary's numbers went up, trump's numbers went down. this story seems to be getting effects for weeks now. it's not that we haven't upped the margins. particularly for white non-college women, the idea that donald trump is less impacted than they are, as a waitress, teacher, nurse, it's annoying and irritating he seems to have gamed the s

and he performed pretty well, as he did in the debates as vice president against sarah palin and paulued. nobody would mistake joe biden for, you know, a brilliant orator, he has performed pretty well in these debates. the fact that people expect him to do poorly as you just noted, trump is expected to win by a majority of the people in that poll, that helps. it is all about whether you meet or exceed expectations in these debates. >> julie: i want to clarify. when i say basically demanding a lot of the attention on the stage, that is something that trump has done in the past. when i say dominating, a debate, he is a dominating figure and his personality is loud and in your face and joe biden is very quiet with a softer approach. and that translates on television. conversely, though, is it to biden's advantage that he enters the debates with expectations set so low? >> absolutely is. i think he generally is able to exceed expectations because he isn't, you know, the greatest of orators. often people expect him to do poorly in debates and he comes out and does pretty well. he exceeded

i hope it's a lot harder if you're debating a woman like joe biden with a much harder time with sarah palinike a bully to a female candidate you can look like a sexist as opposed to somebody who just disagrees, that is where he is right now, he can turn around with a guy that's already told one of the people in his audiences, a supporter i yelled at him because he questioned hunter biden's investment in challenge to a push-up contest, then he called them somebody else to ask questions about some of his investments and said are you a junkie, really, we watch that, joe biden has been rude a lot and when he's challenged he would like to go back to blue-collar joe going back to park avenue trump, we will see how that goes. stuart: let's be honest i work very similar hours to you, i walk into the studio just before 4:00 o'clock every morning and get out of bed at 2:45 a.m., there is no way i will watch the debate live tonight how about you. >> i'm going to watch it live, no doubt about it, i can always rally for one day and i'll be tired the next day but i gotta watch it live, i'm going to taper

is it the joe biden who debated sarah palin?hing their heads? i think that that is what this night is about and at 90 minutes it's a challenge to handle chris wallace for 90 minutes. steve: no kidding. of course everybody is going to be watching to see if they go off the rails at some point and we know that donald trump is going to try to provoke joe biden, because we've even heard from the biden people they are trying to keep him calm. one of the people that knows the preparation the president has had, chris christie, he's busy today we couldn't book him but we did book rudy and here is some of his advice for the president tonight. listen. >> i think this is a great opportunity for the president to really just be himself. he doesn't have to hold back very much. he doesn't have to hold back at all really and he's very well- prepared. he's much better prepared now than he was four years ago just by the mere fact he's probably had a debate every day. i don't think any president has answered more questions than this president. stev