host: i will have sarah pierce jump in. your thoughts? guest: sure, i mean, i think paul brings up a couple of important things. there was a huge rhetoric campaign out of this administration on immigration. i don't think we have seen anything like it before. the administration used their resources to elevate cases, one-off cases of immigrants committing crime. even though on a whole immigrants commit crime at less of a rate then nationals and the administration pushed everything they could to show examples of immigrants committing crimes, to paint immigrants as a public security threat to the united states. really hasow, that bolstered their immigration agenda and what they were trying to accomplish on immigration. and paul is right, that immigrants largely felt -- they ,ill jobs as u.s. nationals bolstering our economy in that respect as well. host: how far did the president get with a merit-based system, what he calls build america? guest: up until the pandemic, not far. the president has extraordinary powers on immigration, but there i

sarah pierce, what is the daca program and where does it stand? >> guest: daca stands for deferred action for childhood arrivals, it's a program created under president obama to offer to individuals brought to the united states as children now have no lawful status in the united states so if applicant qualifies, they receive work authorization when the temporary permit is not to be deported from thecountry, there's no major benefits other than that . can also seek authorization to travel outside of the united states. and prior to 2017 president trump issued an order to unwind daca, essentially ended. that effort was quickly caught up in court system and so daca have been kept in place but only for people who had before december 2017. any of the tens of thousands of people who newly qualified for daca since 2017 cannot apply under the current structure. recently, the president's efforts ran into even more corporals as the supreme court officially said that the way the president abwent about ending daca was improper and more recently a federal said

jessica: sarah pierce is an analyst with the migration policy institute, a non-partisan think tank.y unraveling trumps -- trump's "bureaucratic wall" at the border, policies like mpp, will take time and resources, and pose a political balancing act for the new president. sarah: at the same time, biden will have to do that while trying not to invite a surge of asylum seekers at the southern border, which right now we're really ill-prepared to handle. so i think ending up just saying -- ending mpp, just saying that you're no longer going to enroll migrants in mpp is quite simple. but dealing with those individuals who are currently or previously enrolled is going to be a lot more difficult. jessica: back in juarez, at the shelter, little boys from different countries bonding over what's familiar, a game of soccer. birthdays and holidays have passed. our family from el salvador afraid to leave the shelter, and afraid to go back home. >> if i would go back, i would probably be there for one or two days, or three, and then the third day they would have my funeral. jessica: but with the u

host: joining us to talk about the president's legacy on amigration is sarah pierce, policy analyst at the migration policy institute. let's begin with what the president promised to do when he ra

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sarah lazar theoretical physicist cosmologist philosopher author of the island of knowledge great to have you with us marcello welcome my pleasure my pleasure to be here so eager for an argument that reality as will pierce is always limited by our knowledge of it which is also always the minute so once that does not send is it accumulate a personal experience about something or in there is more to it yes so i think that's a group good and difficult question i think you can think of knowledge in different ways right and they depend on the context so for example you can have experience show knowledge of the world without any sort of scientific background so you know there is they know there is night you know you know there's winter you know there is some a and so that is knowledge you know and it's based on the experience of being alive and of of being out in the world and we humans all kind of share some some level of that knowledge depending where you live but then you also have more specialized kinds of knowledge and that will depend on this missile ization so i jolly just will have knowledge which is based on his or her knowledge of rocks and how many plates move and an astronaut we know about space s