sarah russell is a solicitor specialising in discrimination at work.il, and joins us from our salford studio. thanks for being with us this lunchtime. let me ask you first of all, these figures are not about the same pay for the same work. they reflect differences within an organisation. what do you think that tells us about the state of employment at the moment and the gender differences that still exist? in some respects relatively little, so if you look at the easyjet report, they have provided the information they are required to by law and not a jot more, so it is two sides of a four paper with a big craft taking up plenty of space, so ina craft taking up plenty of space, so in a sense this tells you a snapshot of information at a point in time about a limited number of organisations, but it does reflect the wider societal statistics which suggests there is a pay gap across the board of about 18%, so this is consistent with that. in the detail, since you mentioned the example of easyj et, since you mentioned the example of easyjet, they pointed ou

sarah was. >> your children. >> russell it's a act of commitment. a gesture of humility. submission.nd those are your consequences. >> that's aaron paul. "the path." that's a fun show to do. and it's a good show. your character is the leader of the cult. >> well, religious movement, no, it's a cult, definitely 100% a cult. >> jimmy: when you're in a cult you want to be the leader he's the only one having any fun. >> it's great. the first season he was trying to run away in this movement because he wasn't buying anything they were selling and everything was pulling him back in and now he's leading the whole damn thing. >> jimmy: not that this is a cult-type situation but i know you're a great ad merer of elon musk the guy behind tesla, spacex, he's probably a genius. >> i truly think he is, you know, probably the most important entrepreneur on the planet. >> and you had an encounter with him, did you seek him out or did he seek you out? >> god i wish he seeked me out. i seeked him out. i actually just wanted to see if i could get a look behind the velvet curtains of spacex so i was co