make that happen -- kimberly williams of the mental health association of new york city, and sarah vander schaaf, a journalist who has written honestly about her own mental-health issues. and thank you both for joining us. sarah, let me talk to you 'cause you have the personal story here. you wrote this remarkable article a couple months ago in the washington post. obsessive-compulsive disorder nearly ruined her life. your life is not ruined, but it did really nearly ruin your life. >> it did. >> how? >> well, it's a great question because i think the other aspect of mental illness is that it sneaks up on you. and it is the only reality you know, so it's very hard to even identify it as a disease, especially when you're the person suffering. and i would say that, through genetics and environment, i was a perfect candidate for it, and then certainly circumstances and the sort of society we live in now, it got exacerbated to the point that, as a mother and a something that was preventing me from being the best person i could be. >> but you weren't aware of what you had? or did you intuitively know