i didn't drive down mount igman into sarajevo when it was being hit with 2,000 shells a day because it was good for my career. i went there because what was happening was a crime against humanity. and as a reporter, i wanted to be there to chronicle it. >> well, you should. but, so you don't think journalism is futile? >> i think journalism is essential. i think it's essential. and we're watching its destruction. you know, journalism, the power of journalism is that it is rooted in verifiable fact. you go out as a reporter, you seek to find out what is factually correct. you crosscheck it with other sources. it's sent to an editor. it's fact-checked, you put it out. that's all vanishing. that's what we're really losing with journalism. yes, you know, commercial journalism, there were things they wouldn't write about. you know, as schanberg says, "the power of great newspapers like "the times" is that at least it's stopped things from getting worse." i think that's right. >> but can it make things better? i mean, do you think you can accomplish more as a dissenter, and i look up on you