it started in bosnia during the siege of sarajevo. seed of sarajevo.audi arabia with the arab spring, and the same now. i devoted two films to the kurds, the fight of the kurds. peshmerga and the battle of mosul and then when i see your president last october that he decides to withdraw, again, it's so -- it never happened in the military history to betray an ally, to betray those with whom you did fight shoulder to shoulder against isis. because this is where your and ours are more reliable, valiant ally, and we did abandon them. >> let me ask you, though. the question we ask more often is, we go into these places. we spend all of this time, money, treasury, it's a mess. look at libya. you wanted gadhafi removed. look at iraq with saddam hussain. good intentions are not enough. the outcome is always bad, >> good intentions are not enough, of course. we need sole consistency, continuity, but if we had remained in libya, what if we had helped -- >> stayed engaged. >> -- stayed engaged, helped libya to manage, helped civil servants to be shaped. look at,