it happened in sarasota florida, phil?, enough probable cause exists connecting smith and hickcock here to sarasota county that bone fragments removed from coffins yesterday will now finally either solve yet another unspeakable quadruple murder that happened 53 years ago. >> i can't describe it. it was horrible looking. >> don mccloud can't forget that horrible day in 1959 when he walked in cliff walker christine and two children all shot dead in florida home. it remains sarasota county's oldest unsolved major crime. but 53 years later, detective kim mcgaffe thinks the walker killers are the same infamous killers of the clutter family in kansas one month earlier. perry smith and dick hick in cold blood. >> driving a stolen 1956 chevrolet bellaire and the walker family was shopping for a 1956 chevrolet 210 model. they are basically the same vehicle. >> before smith and hickcock were arrested for the kansas killings. several witnesses spotted them in sarasota the day of and after the walkers died. >> they all testified that

they will give their information to the sarasota police to any use in criminal case in sarasota.a problem. jenna: officials in kansas, a reference a lot of us have are television shows and body is exhumed and find dna and by the end of the show you know who the person is. officials on ground say it might take several weeks to even get dna. why would it take so long? >> in the old days it used to take months. now it takes a few days in clean dna but taking dna from the bones and teeth is what they will be looking for, can take a week or two to clean it and put it through proper processing. jenna: how do you even go about that with someone who has been buried for decades? >> in the exhumation, one of the things they're counting on is that bone and teeth stay around a long time and they both preserve the dna for, we can take hundreds of years, i've exhumed bodies 75 and 100 years later they were able to find dna. the issue will be, does the dna they get from these remains match the dna from the semen in the sarasota case? jenna: there was a rape as well as a murder? >> yes. jenna: t

sarasota. wow!.ill: there is new fallout from the newtown school shooting as you can imagine only days after president obama went to that town and said this. >> in the coming weeks i will use whatever power this office holds to engage my fellow citizens from law enforcement to mental health professionals, to parents and educators in an effort aimed at preventing more tragedies like this. bill: we are about to hear how he plans to use his office to change things. . martha: breaking news in just moments ago, judge robert bork has died this morning at age 84 from heart complications. as you remember of course he was nominated by ronald reagan back in 1984, faced a contentious senate hearing that ended in a no vote for judge bork. he is remembered today by those who admired his judicial outlook, and we will be talking about him in the coming hour with somebody who knew him well. more on that moments away. and now to this fox news alert as well, to a foxnews.com exclusive on a possible motive for school g

this time near sarasota, florida.nvestigators say the walker murders share striking similarities to the clutter case. the two men convicted and executed were on the run there in sarasota at the time the walker family was killed. so now investigators say this. in florida they want a kansas judge to give the okay to exhume the bodies of the killers to see if their dna ties them to the dna found at the walkers murders that are yet unsolved. dr. michael baden, forensic pathologist, fox news contributor. perfect person to talk to this. what do you think about the trail we laid out? >> i think it is very interesting because in 1959 when the clutter case came and in 1960 where the current case they're interested in, there was semen on the panties of the murdered wife in sarasota. jenna: that is the walker family. no one knows what happened to them and who killed them. >> still unsolved murder but in 1960 dna didn't exist for examination. that only came into being about 1989. so they have held onto this evidence for the unsol

eyewitnesses remember seeing them in sarasota on the same day the walkers were killed.rities want to ex-assume the killer's bodies to see if they have a dna match. here is forensic expert michael bauden on the cold case yesterday on "happening now.". >> i think the concept that police departments have and brought up, that, old cases can still be solved with evidence from 50 years ago if they have saved the evidence and if they bring it forth. jon: joining us now, shannon mcfar land, a reporter for the "sarasota herald-tribune". she covered the story for her newspaper and broken much of this new information. shannon, what is it that led police first of all to the idea, general idea that these two guys might be responsible? >> you know, the sheriff's office has a list of nearly 600 suspects that they have compiled in the last 6 years. these guys were actually suspects for the first three months of the investigation and dismissed after polygraph and fingerprints allowed detectives to think that it wasn't them. jon: and capote in his book talks about them. talks about their

were six weeks on the run and several witnesses spotted the two of them from the famous book, in sarasotaf and the day after the walker killings. on that day, 53 years ago today, either the killer or killers also raped a young wife leaving semen behind. a detective spent four years dedicated to solving this crime and i believe the key is the car >> they were driving a stolen 1956 chevrolet and the walker family wasshipping for a 1956 chevrolet and they are basically the same vehicle. phil: the day after the killings, witnesses say his face has scraps and another great clue the pocket knife belonging to mr. walker disappeared and dick had a pocket knife like it on him when he was arrested in las vegas. >>shepard: you tracked down the man what founded bodies. what did he say? phil: like every other 82-year-old i meet in florida he will believe it when he sees it but he tells me he still thinks of that discovery practically every day and still losing sleep and until the bone fragments are connected, he will not bite. >> we will solve this in a few days. a few days. and a few days. then a few

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. >> before they were arrested for the kansas killings, several witnesses spotted them in sarasota. >> they testified that hick coch had a scratched face. >> and cries teen walker, had semen in to scene and kansas medical examiner will see if either dna matches the scene. what could be the epilogue to capote's famous book and finally turn the page. >> i've been thinking about it all these years. >> walker house is long gone. on the day that family died, cliff walker pocketknife disappeared from the property. when smith and hick coch was arrested a florida witness identified the pocketknife at the scene as the one belonging to cliff walker. now, we wait for the dna. >> gregg: mystery continues. >> coming up, a live report from david lee mill other the holiday hustle out of the u.s. iavptsd. >> if you are heading home for the holidays or anywhere else for this matter, good news because likely your flight will be on on time. i'll have details from laguardia airport coming up. [ female announcer ] food, meet flavor. flavor, meet food. it's time for swanson flavor boost. concentrated broth

one caller rights -- sarasota, florida on the line now. good morning, jill. caller: did morning. i have only one very short thing to say. listen, everyone out there. no matter what party believe in, they're used to be a wonderful country in africa called rhodesia. we are talking about african problems, but it was a bread basket country. produce things. now it is called zimbabwe. inflation is over 1000%. that is all i am going to say to the people watching and listening to this program because we are heading in the same direction. thank you and have a wonderful new year. host: a tear from bob now in the democrat light. caller: thank you for letting me have a chance to speak. i am more optimistic -- i a more pessimistic than optimistic. i just do not think they will ever get together like they should. my one comment is when they start speaking about the cuts and the entitlements, the always a social security, medicare, medicaid. that is not the only entitlements. every government program that has a retirement benefit, a health-care benefit, those are entitlements, two, up to and in

let's go to sarasota next. caller: good afternoon. the way that i look at it, as a 74-year-old professional pharmacist with a minor in economics, the reason i am independent is because republicans and democrats cannot seem to get it together. the biggest problem that we have now is the reason why we cannot do what we are supposed to do for the entire country. one middleman adnan grover norquist. someone who was never even elected. here is a man that has caused all the problems. all of the republicans have signed this pledge, which to me is unconstitutional. without him, we would not be talking today. >> salem, oregon, republican line. you are on the air. caller: good morning. as a college student, and i have listened to every single caller, this is an embarrassing day for our country. i am a first-time job hunter, unemployed, a college student with loans, i am embarrassed and looking at this situation. my life is going to be turned upside down because of this. legislators need to stop bickering with these comments. they need to come t