books, phil levine who came here for from detroit and we have great fiction begin with steinbeck and saroyan that's been written here. what nonfiction has been more difficult because you have to dig in to these brokenness of this place. and it doesn't make you a real popular person to tell the stories here. i live here and yet you are writing these stories that not everyone embraces because you are telling the history, working all of the place and the wisest person among the wisest people i've ever interviewed was a person named greta tony. i found her in courtroom while i was in california, she was 100 years old. >> and she had, from texas, all the contrail left. she didn't, all-in-one migration, they stopped along the way. >> she referred to her children, she had seven or eight stopover kids or a kid in each place. and they landed in corcoran and they picked the cotton. and as i was interviewing her, interviewing her in that little house, on the outskirts of that city, town, she was taking me all the way back to the slave days of her grandmother. but from that one interview, we were spendi