issues and this meeting should take place within the next few months, please thank you very much sashka shevchenkois joining us live from bucharest. thank you very much sashka. so, ukraine insists that the black sea, like the baltic sea, become a nato sea . how realistic is this? what does this mean ? it's us now and we will talk to the air oleksandr khara, an expert on foreign security policy of the center for defense strategies oleksandr my greetings words of dmytro kuleba let's make the black sea a nato sea this means take us to nato does this mean that let's sign some kind of additional agreement, ukraine is not in nato yet and somehow determine the strategy of nato and the usa on the black sea. how to understand it. well, i think that these are several steps that must be taken. it is clear that ukraine needs finnishization so that we are mutually compatible signs and at the right time , we became members of nato, this is the only guarantee of security for ukraine against the base civil and nuclear russian federation . document that was prepared by the expert community, it consisted of several