with the stock at 60, you have to consider how good a job satya nadella is doing.: you held onto your shares. why have you held on to them? steve: i believe in myself. i owned a company that i believe in and it's worth a bunch. the recognition in the marketplace of the value was not necessarily recognized during my tenure, but it is now being recognized in session at della's tenure. i made a great investment by holding and i have a lot of loyalty. when i'm working at the place, if i start selling, what does that mean? it means i don't believe in the future of the company. i believe people on boards or who work for companies at least in leadership positions, they should have told all their stock. emily: at what point do you think you myself? steve: that will be a decision i get to make. the longer i get out of the company, the more it is not mine anymore, the more i look at the value of the stock in what we are doing will improperly, these things will change. 26ly: we have calculated ilion dollars. how do you manage your money and investments when she get to that le

satya nadella, my successor, sort of taking things there to infinity and beyond, if you will.: how do you feel about being asked about your successes and tell years -- failures? stage, i'm almost three years out. it's ancient history. have a lot of success, yeah. iere are some things i wish had done differently, of course. i started a company that had $2.5 million in revenue and 30 people, and i left a company billion in profit, and i feel like that net pretty good success. emily: what is your relationship like with bill today? >> we drifted apart. microsoft was kind of the thing that really bound us. we started off as friends but then got really quite enmeshed around microsoft. gone, we really have drifted a little bit. emily: he wasn't happy about when you left, you left suddenly. what rhappeally ed? >> for me it was not a simple thing for either one of us. i think at the end of the day, there are probably two things straight a little bit of a difference in opinion on the strategic direction of the company, which i think is a challenge, and a number two, he and i had kind of

with the stock at 60, you have to consider how good a job satya nadella is doing.ly: bill gates and others have sold their shares. you held onto your shares. why have you held on to them? steve: i believe in myself. i owned a company that i believe in and it's worth a bunch. the full recognition in the marketplace of the value was not necessarily recognized during my tenure, but it is now being recognized in -- now. i made a great investment by holding and i have a lot of loyalty. when i'm working at the place, if i start selling, what does that mean? it means i don't believe in the future of the company. i believe people on boards or who work for companies at least in leadership positions, they should have to hold all their stock. at what point do you think you might sell? steve: that will be a decision i get to make. the longer i get out of the company, the more it is not mine anymore, the more i look at the value of the stock in what we are doing philanthropic lee these things will change. how do you manage your money and investments when she get to that level o

satya nadella put that out as they're goal.nto the cloud, not only getting into the cloud, but making a huge aspect of the microsoft world. and then look at the fundamentals of the company. $130-plus billion. incredible yield and the share repurchase. when you combine all of that with the growth, i think right now this is a great buy in the 58 area. as a matter of fact, i'll give you something. i bought some today. i'm selling some calls against it. i'm going to stay in this stock as long as i can. i think this stock is going to end up going, if you look at this chart, you see this big move. whoops, excuse me. let me get to the pen. you see this move it's already made up towards here? i don't think that's where it stops. i think this thing is going to keep on going and probably get somewhere closer to 65 or 70 before it needs to stop. all right. what have you got? >> literally pete went off the charts on that one. any questions for pete? grasso. >> a major aspect is the cloud growth. so they did, i guess, intelligent cloud is t

number five is satya nadella of microsoft and at four is larry page of google. number three, marry dillon and then amazon jeff bezos and number one, perhaps you have heard of him, facebook founder and ceo mark zuckerberg. it is in the december 1st issue of the "fortune" magazine and allen murray is here to discuss all of this. >> little company. >> yeah. 32 years old, i would point out. >> his stay at the top of the list. >> he is 32. >>? he is, yes. the company is not. >> yeah. >> look. a lot of great folks to choose from. why is mark zuckerberg first on the list? >> first of all, just the incredibly rapid growth. we still think of it as a little start-up. it's a 375 billion dollar company in terms of -- >> how old is facebook now? >> facebook is about 11 >> okay. >> it's 22 billion in revenues and it's the first 1.8 billion people use facebook. think of that. no other product has ever been in the hands of so many people around the world. and it's also an enormous. think how facebook played in this election. the first social media election, the number of people