ok i mean i think we all agree that saudi arabia is an important i need to be a supplier but jason. what about the fact that. the united states in all three of us on this program agree about energy but saudi arabia looks at it through religious prism ok sunni against shia in isn't that going to drag the united states into making choices that we you've already agreed to that are not convenient choices based on our values. peter it's an extremely messy world and it's a very messy region and the united states has very difficult options and sometimes very problematic friends but i think that given this very complicated equation that the united states has to play with and not just the united states i think that it's it's generally been on the right path of trying to support stability trying to encourage efforts toward political reform against corruption against oppression against intolerance but it's been very problematic and yes you know jason wise let me ask you not always been on the right side of that ok i agree with would you like to see an arab spring in saudi arabia and bahrain an

united states saudi arabia and israel decided to. join forces with the muslim brotherhood the salafi is these alarmists in order to bolster sunni muslim strength in the middle east and thereby war to iran and i think that what happened a few years later is it the direct result of this and any the odd thing is that it was in libya they had actually pressured gaddafi to release the various islam is who he had imprisoned largely at the behest of the united states and as part of the war on terror the extraordinary rendition program and so these very same people that gadhafi had released then joined forces with the united states and nato and and the and so to topple the regime and much the same is going on in syria where again the united states of saudi arabia got into bed with the muslim brotherhood there a few years before the uprising still plays ok jason it looks like intentional instability for the entire region it doesn't work out very well for american or western interests. thank you peter i just might add my breath is taken away a

resources imported from countries like russia saudi arabia venezuela and iran and so on and so on that is a vastly more difficult proposition than pouring american made vodka onto the sidewalk a crash just my opinion. below and welcome to cross talk for all things considered i'm peter lavelle going the obama administration's continued insistence that the syrian regime must be punished for alleged use of chemical weapons has convinced few of washington's traditional allies the americans have said they will strike syria on their own if they have to what does this say about america's standing in the middle east in the future of international law. to cross the ongoing conflict in syria i'm joined by george samuel in new york he is a fellow of the global policy institute of london metropolitan university and author of bombs for peace nato's humanitarian war on yugoslavia and in washington we cross the jason isaacson he is the american jewish committee director of government and international affairs all right gentlemen crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want an

ok i mean i think we all agree that saudi arabia is an important any supplier but jason . what about the fact that. the united states in all three of us on this program agree about energy but so he really looks at it through religious prism ok sunni against shia in isn't that going to drag the united states into making choices that we you've already agreed to that are not convenient choices based on our values. peter it's an extremely messy world and it's a very messy region and the united states has very difficult options and sometimes very problematic friends but i think that given this very complicated equation that the united states has to play with and not just the united states i think that it's it's generally been on the right path of trying to support stability trying to encourage efforts toward political reform against corruption against oppression against intolerance but it's been very problematic and yes you know jason lies let me ask you why not always been on the right side of the ok i agree with would you like to see an arab spring in saudi arabia and bahrain

she doing it quite gracefully. >> tell me the significance of the saudi arabia government giving her permission to shoot the film there, that is pretty watershed moment, too. >> it is. it's very ground breaking. not only for women but i think for all saudi -- in the world of art and film making. it takes to the point of why she handle the it gracefully. it means that it won't be banned inside arabia, it is very important to have viewing to initiate conversation. also really brings a very crucial element which is that women's rights in civil society doesn't have to be anti-government. you can work with government to have incremental change which i think is most important thing for women throughout the islamic world. >> and since they don't have movie theaters in saudi arabia how are women going to see this film? >> i that i one of the things that i did a few years ago when he did train ink saudi arabia was surprised at the level of education and the level of leadership that saudi women have. it's no longer your grandmother's gulf. i think that you will see private viewings, you'll have

ok i mean i think we all agree that saudi arabia is an important i need to be a supplier but jason. what about the fact that if the united states in all three of us on this program agree about energy but so he really looks at it through religious prism ok sunni against shia in it isn't that going to drag the united states into making choices that we you've already agreed to that are not convenient choices based on our values. peter it's an extremely messy world and it's a very messy region and the united states has very difficult options and sometimes very problematic friends but i think that given this very complicated equation that the united states has to play with and not just the united states i think that it's it's generally been on the right path of trying to support stability trying to encourage efforts toward political reform against corruption against oppression against intolerance but it is been very problematic and yes you know jason lies let me ask you not always been on the right side of the ok i agree with would you like to see an arab spring in saudi arabia and bahra

go forward in this program to bomb syria and be a part of this remember that it was saudi arabia prince bandar who in number ten downing street told tony blair that unless he called off a serious fraud office investigation into a b a slush fund and that was with saudi prince bandar and b. a he that he could not guarantee another seven seven bus bombing in london so he threatened a terrorist act to a sitting prime minister tony blair and tony blair just basically threw up his hands and said whatever whatever the good kind of terror is the max and do you hear did you read the report saying that the saudi intelligence perhaps old chemical weapons to the rebels i mean it's like we're living in a freaking twilight zone i want to get your opinion on some of these trends that are going on or if there are any i mean the n.s.a. leaks what type of impact do you think they've had on the global economy. well the n.s.a. leaks is about information gathering because i anticipate in the next six to twelve months that the big banks and the governments around the world were orchestrate a bail in or a wea

well i think what we're seeing in the region really is saudi arabia is really calling it in this kerfuffle going on now because they're very jealous that russia has almost a near monopoly on a pipeline from into europe and saudi arabia wants a pipeline into europe too and has to go through syria to get the pipeline established so they get their good friend america and israel to gang together and

is a strike in this whole deal is this issue iran the i'm a part of the americans it's because saudi arabia and israel. on a strike it has nothing to do with international law i mean it would be nice if it were but it's not really and the saudis are furious the turks are furious elements of israel are furious a lot of people are furious and they still want to strike it will have nothing to do with international law you know the great tragedy of all of this is they turkey and saudi arabia were hoping to use american troops as mercenaries they wanted to bring in americans to achieve it to advance their goals basically which was to get rid of it which was get rid of assad especially saudi arabia which is extremely furious that the strikes haven't gone gone through we know that saudi arabia has been pushing for some time for strikes and for strikes against assad this talk about humanitarian intervention but one hundred thousand people have been killed by conventional weapons already and now with the focus has shifted from protecting people to ridding assad of chemical weapons and they've set a

the ideology of the logistics are all coming out of saudi arabia and alas the world wakes up to the fact that we have to go in turkle this at the root of the problem then we'll see an increase of attacks across africa like we've seen recently in kenya and now in nigeria right but is there a connection between different radical sounds like al shabaab in kenya and. in nigeria or are they completely autonomy. well the autonomous to a certain extent but the central ideology that's being supplied today derives alter of saudi arabia like a mention because the they all seem to have the same or disappear on the where they go for maximum effect by killing as many people as possible so yes they are different groups they probably don't cooperate within africa but they are being supplied logistically in the terms of training and fighting known spied by a central group in saudi arabia including members of the monarchy i might add yes they're always seeing now in these most recent attacks both in kenya as well as in nigeria we see that terrorists are targeting certainly civilians not institutions

saudi arabia and qatar. are both sunni controlled even though saudi arabia in particular has a large population almost a majority of. seem percent in saudi arabia has a majority. and. in the way in the west these. issues in the region are so often characterized as shia sunni and we saw that played out in. simple press. as we went through iraq in particular in the shoot neighborhoods and. what is the what is the shia sunni dynamic to what extent is iran being largely share the play into that how does that affect politics in iran and in that region do you see these things changing it's changing for the worse. the shia sunni thing has always been there and it's you know it's always been in the background most of the time and it's not necessarily at all been as pronounced as it is right now what i think is happening is that there are very significant geo political rivalries taking place in the region in which again utilizing a sick tyrian card playing that card has a far greater resonance far greater impact on t

a strike in this whole deal is this issue run on the human part of the americans it's because saudi arabia and israel. i want to strike it has nothing to do with international law i mean it would be nice if it were but it's not really and the saudis are furious the turks are furious elements of israel are furious a lot of people are furious and they still want to strike it will have nothing to do with international law yet a great tragedy of all of this is they turkey and saudi arabia were hoping to use american troops as mercenaries they wanted to bring in americans to achieve to advance their goals basically which was to get rid of it which was get rid of assad especially saudi arabia which is extremely furious that the strikes haven't gone come through we know that saudi arabia has been pushing for some time for strikes and for strikes against assad let's talk about humanitarian intervention but one hundred thousand people have been killed by conventional weapons already and now the focus has shifted from protecting people to ridding assad of chemical weapons and they've set a timetable

says the wave of attacks on the continent can be traced back to saudi arabia. i think we haven't tackled the central or the terrorism central which is derived from saudi arabia the ideology and the logistics are all coming out of saudi arabia and alas the world wakes up to the fact that we have to go and tackled this at the root of the problem then we'll see an increase off attacks across africa like we've seen recently in kenya and now in nigeria there are different groups there probably don't cooperate within africa but they are being supplied logistically in terms of training and fighting now inspired by a central group in saudi arabia including members of the monarchy i might add well with this attack book of iran has again lived up to its name the literal translation is western education is a sin but the militants haven't shied away from killing islamic scholars not radical enough for their liking either thousands have died in the group's attacks since two thousand and nine when it launched an insurgency across north eastern nigeria. sheer activists senten

i think we haven't tackled the central or the terrorism central which is derived from saudi arabia the ideology and the logistics are all coming out of saudi arabia and unless the world wakes up to the fact that we have to go and tackled this at the root of the problem then we'll see an increased offer tax across africa like we've seen recently in kenya and now in nigeria they are different groups they probably don't cooperate within africa but they they are being supplied logistically in terms of training and finance by by a central group in saudi arabia including members of the monarchy i might add. convictions accidents and bar res says it is them who are victims not the state coming out bush has to say they were brutally tortured in confinement and all the government one says to break the oppositional strangle. green peace process at a russian oil rig in the arctic is ruled a real threat to workers on back with him and the latest on the legal battle coming up shortly. leave. little. welcome back see she is sentenced by a bahraini court on sunday have accused the government of be sa

by central group in saudi arabia including members of the monarchy. with this time boko haram has again lived up to its name in the literal translation is western education is a sin but the militants haven't shied away from killing islamic scholars and transco now for their liking either thousands have died in the groups attacks since two thousand and nine when it launched an insurgency across northeastern nigeria. share activists sentence by a bahraini court on sunday have accused the government of be saying waterboarding and electrocuting them but the authorities say they're all part of an illegal opposition group linked to terrorists twenty of the fifty people put behind bars were tried in absentia here while those for hasn't plan to appeal and side use of. head of mon training at the bahrain center for human rights told r.t. what the group discovered about police tactics there. we as a human rights group we are reporting on a daily basis that. security and massive media and from security forces they are in a bigger house on a daily basis broking t

i think we haven't terkel the central or the terrorism central which is derived from saudi arabia the ideology of the logistics are all coming out of saudi arabia and the world wakes up to the fact that we have to go and turkle this at the root of the problem then we'll see an increase of the turks across africa like we've seen recently in. nigeria there are different groups there probably don't cooperate within africa but they are being supplied logistically in terms of training and fighting known survived by a central group in saudi arabia including members of the monarchy i might add. and with this a time vocal how iran has again lived up to its name the literal translation is western education is sin but the militants haven't shied away from killing islamic schools scholars and not to radical enough for their liking are that thousands have died in the group's attacks since two thousand and nine when it launched an insurgency across northeastern nigeria. because activists in bahrain sounds as donahoe of except as noted the state's coming out which has to say they were worse than a

and there will be russia and i'm sure iran must be the saudi arabia qatar all those who are involved in it will have to be there and the a most of the to get this is incredibly difficult after this bloody war. must be to create an interim authority that represents all the various groups in syria to. leave magine how could anyone go confidentially it's just hard to imagine anyone coming to power and reconciling with the people after everything that has happened no matter which side takes the lead but if you look at the things globally who's war is it at this point of the syrians on the ground or is it more of a russian u.s. political standoff. well on your first question i mean there have been situations with terrible atrocities happening and yet the parties can come together well you know of south africa was one situation in which a horrible apartheid had been there and yet you found reconciliation and ideas hadn't but it is an incredible bit difficult i agree with you but it's the only way they are if the alternative is continued civil war well that is pretty horrible dog was your s

saudi arabia supported any u.s. strikes. he was expecting some announcements from other countries in the next 24 hours, showing some support for this g-20 statement that was passed on friday. that was passed by -- signed by about a dozen nations. now, he's expecting some more arab nations to sign on, including qatar's f.m. today said they support it. >> to what extent will they support it? are they willing to give details? >> it's a little unclear. every country will speak for themselves. i don't think you will see all arab nations signing up for any type of coalition. saudi arabia has indicated it would be willing to support strikes and maybe even take part. you know, they haven't said so explicitly yet but secretary kerry's announcement sure seemed to move in that direction. the qatar foreign minister said his country would be looking what it could do and you might have other nations showing political support, clearly the obama administration thinks it's building more international consensus. this statement that came out o

how strategic or helpful would it be for saudi arabia to offer support? it would be nice if we had arab support somewhere. they don't have a lot of capabilities in the standoff move, launching cruise missiles. the saudi arabias don't have a lot of capability but nice to have token support. right now, looks like just us, one french frigate, a defensive ship. nice to have more involved. makes a nicer show in the arab world. we will be portrayed as the americans once again, imperialist, doing things once again to an arab country. >> are you talking about moral support or offering air fields or perhaps ports for our military? >> exactly. exactly. material support, some sort sof -- put some aircraft on alert, do something, let us use the air fields, even go beyond the operation. if it goes beyond standoff cruise missile attacks, nice to have saudi airplanes up there. >> how much of a handicap is it if we don't get that? >> we can do this by ourselves. we certainly have the capability to do this. it's what the president wants to do, what he wants to accomplish,

it's no coincidence that saudi arabia is now provoking war in syria to get their gas pipeline to europe just like it's no coincidence that saudi arabia and the petro dollar and america have the federal reserve bank are colluding to exterminate the american population the american people are not just getting poorer there are at threat of being exterminated by colonel diamond well in a way that's already happened you can see that all along this river here the east river in manhattan where there and in factories the dolman of sugar factory the abandoned factories everywhere here because we're not producing anything here but in terms of this america's curse that we're not participating in the democracy that we're spreading around the world is arrowheads points out that the scary part of this is that there's now no checks and balances the only thing we have to hope for is not change the hope and change of an obama like character but collapse because then we could all start again but the american system was brilliantly kind of seen as a system of checks and balances you had various branches o

at russia's got a monopoly natural gas to europe saudi arabia wants to tap into that business said to build a pipeline to europe they've got to kill a lot of syrian kids i mean that's basically what the war is all about simple math really just oil and gas pumps obama when he gets on t.v. and says if there's something what if a mile below you say it was on a thing on t.v. and he said america we got to cut into russia's gas monopoly to hero by killing a lot of syrian kids and as a result price of oil and gas would be cheaper for you and you can still buy happy meals for less than a block what do you think you know it's not on a do you think anyone to vote against it may end up going to be the same right right because this was also something general wesley clark said in those same speeches as he said what the first iraq war showed us was that we can invade the middle east and no one's really going to stop us no one's really going to get in the way and so that's the same idea that we can invade syria no one's really going to stop us but now we're doing really well in time i thought at thi

so before we go into the details of this deal the saudi arabia who also hasn't signed that let's look at this video actually cluster bomb now we're. if. there is a cluster bombs in action as you see very very deadly in violence and the u.s. has signed a six hundred forty one million dollar deal to send one thousand three hundred of those cluster bombs to the kingdom of saudi arabia you know also house was nine eleven justified you know i mean it's a crazy question but in light of everything that we're talking about here in the context of weapons of mass destruction being used on defenseless children all over the world to satisfy banks and defense contractors i think it's an interesting question so now we talk about the final headline because you mentioned that the u.s. is committing financial suicide and this is the final headline about this financial war financial terrorism and it's taking in the major players as well the the. finance and that's s. and p. calls u.s. lawsuit retaliation for stripping triple a rating u.s. government filed a lawsuit against s. and p. in february remembe

those in these princelings that america down for like saudi arabia which has a similar situation they have a fountain of oil they don't need the people save abject poverty and some five thousand princes in america similarly they've got their aristocracy that has been created now with the federal reserve's quantitative easing and they just print money as they need it it boosts our asset prices and boost our real estate prices they don't need the people to work to create the savings to create the capital they don't need the taxes so the people are being essentially exterminated that's the problem with colonel kurtz diamond is that he's gone rogue he's become the leader of a cult he's taken his military operations up to mimic saudi arabia it's no coincidence that saudi arabia is now provoking war in syria to get their gas pipeline to europe just like it's no coincidence that saudi arabia and the petro dollar and america the federal reserve bank are colluding to exterminate the american population the american people are not just getting poorer there are at threat of being exterminated by

well if you go it brings up a good point i mean you say this is the regime narrative but saudi arabia takes it quite seriously the sectarian difference doesn't it. but there again you keep bringing back saudi arabia i'm interested i'm interested in what the regime is doing to its own people the islamists and the extremists are still in the minority by the way and that is in part because the syrian people are rejecting them but i would like to go back to the point at what point does russia feel that it bears some moral responsibility for the deaths of more than one hundred thousand for the destruction of about eighty percent of the russians for trying to marry anyone is not to see the destruction and stay so you're not in and if i was going to strange to have this international so that's it but barack obama may destroy the country russia being there all responds right out of time and i want to thank my guests today and i want to this russian thanks all of us for watching and to see you next time and remember. we leave you with. new york london. the whole world is on the go. because of

has just concluded a deal the so saudi arabia of nearly one billion worth of cluster bombs is really all about war and weapons. yeah i mean it goes to show that we don't actually care about humanitarian causes the fact that we're ok with this with this war profiteering by way of cluster bombs shows that it is not about humanitarian reasons and furthermore you know if we only have the humanitarian reasons to go into countries the. it serve a geo political interest to have oil or some other reason it's like a lifeboat saying he's at the pole to save the day and then he ends up just doing mouth to mouth with all the hot chicks whether they need it or not and it's on point there's a pile of obese ugly dude's dead from drowning and you're like he's here to just save the day i think you said it was me go with the chance so the humanitarian reasons why we're selling close to mom's insane well i mean one clear motivation for those cluster f. words saying. russia's got to put up with. natural gas to europe saudi arabia wants to tap into that business said to build a pipeline to europe they've

just like it's no coincidence that saudi arabia and the petro dollar and america the federal reserve bank are colluding to exterminate the american population the american people are not just getting poorer there are at threat of being exterminated by colonel diamond well in a way that's already happened you can see that all along this river here the east river in manhattan where there and in factories the domino sugar factory the abandoned factories everywhere here because we're not producing anything here but in terms of this america's curse that we're not participating in the democracy that we're spreading around the world is there a hedge points out that the scary part of this is that there's now no checks and balances the only thing we have to hope for is not change the hope and change of an obama like character but collapse because then we could all start again but the american system was brilliantly kind of seen as a system of checks and balances you had various branches of government you had to press the fourth column the fourth estate as the ultimate checks and balance you k

those in these princelings that america down for like saudi arabia which has a similar situation they have a fountain of oil they don't need the people save abject poverty and some five thousand princes in america similarly they've got their aristocracy that has been created now with the federal reserve's quantitative easing and they just print money as they need it it boosts our asset prices it goes to real estate prices they don't need the people to work to create the savings to create the capital they don't need the taxes so the people are being essentially exterminated that's the problem with colonel kurtz diamond is that he's going rogue he's become the leader of a cult he's taken his military operations and mimic saudi arabia it's no coincidence that saudi arabia is now provoking war in syria to get their gas pipeline to europe just like it's no coincidence that saudi arabia the petrodollar and america of the federal reserve bank are colluding to exterminate the american population the american people are not just getting poorer there are at threat of being exterminated by colon

your motive is is outside outside of syria and that saudi arabia and the fact that we that the obama administration is totally ignored any evidence and information presented to the un about the opposition's capability of launching chemical weapons to me is a major omission it's stark and all of this is being guided by the saudis who who carry admitted in testimony the other day that the saudis actually. offered to pay if the united states if we went in and basically undertook regime change and that's what this is all about supply and it's the saudis and iran because of its influence in the in in the united states has to play the role of a mercenary brian because i i read those words for the mercenaries once again brian go ahead jump it when we were saying that where were the red and so they faked up on it like like. michael michael is right in one sense because the saudis are driving it the israelis of course want this too there is a regional interest but the united states government doesn't have its policies its a great power it's the leading imperial power in the world in this regi