sauer: i agree. dge pan: if he had been convicted by theene, then this prosecution woulde entirely proper. correct? mr. sauer: i would not phrase it that way. there are lots of other problems we raised. judge pan: the impeachment judgment clause, if he had been convict by the setehen he was impaoefpd for incitement -- itch pa*epd for in-- pehed for incitement ofnsrection, this prosecution would be properly brought. mr. sauer: a prosecution. thisrosecution has other problems. just want to be clear about that. think -- judge pan: under your inrptation of the impeachment judgment clause. if president trump had been nvted when he was previously impeached on same or related conduct as that which is in this indictment, the governme could prorbly -- properly prosecute him for that same or rated conduct. yes or no? mr. sauer: potentially, provided they quafi with all other legal documents violated in this ca. judge pan: i'm asking you under ur interpretation of the impeachment judgmt clause, is that proper?

so, he nodded very strongly to that argument from john sauer. again, you know, the room was quite focused on the former president and even james pearce, the government attorney for the justice department who was making presentation, his parents were sitting a couple of rows back in the courtroom. apparently, they have come to some of the previous appellant court arguments, including one that pearce argued on the gag order a couple of months ago. so, everybody in the room waited of course until the judges walked out and the former president stood up and walked out slowly outside of the room. obviously, this is a very momentous court proceeding today and obviously the constitutional questions are looming very, very large and not only over this trial, but over future presidents, and so, certainly i think that he seemed to be very animated when pearce was talking about the idea that there would be floodgates and the one sound that you just played a minute ago when pearce said that he does not believe that there would a tit-for-tat, and again, the pr

to which john sauer had counter citations.l the politicalization of the prosecution of donald trump, do you feel they asked the requisite questions or that they were fairly satisfied that that's not a thorough legal argument. >> a little bit of both. could they have pressed a little bit more? yes, they could have pointed out, for example, that one of the arguments made by the special counsel in the case wasn't appointed properly is not one that the trump folks have shared or made themselves. so if they really think, for example, that former president biden is pulling the strings, why are they not contesting the appointment of jack smith or not saying something to that effect in their legal arguments. that having been said, i agree with andrew, that james pierce really had a nice response to that. the other thing is, you can't allow trump's threats to become the court's predictions of what the future looks like at large in a world that trump is no longer president in. in other words, the things he's saying he would do if he bec

i just want to remind -- allow our audience to know more about john sauer. he's a lawyer based in st. louis. he once served as a solicitor general for that state. he joined trump's legal team recently and as mississippi's solicitor general, he took part in a last ditch effort to keep trump in power by adding himself on to a texas fight to try to get the supreme court to toss out the votes in several swing states. just so we understand him. i want to play for you one of the arguments here. because judge henderson, one of the three judges, asked whether or not the oath the president takes to insure the laws are faithfully executed applies to this president. >> i think it's paradoxical to say that his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed allows him to violate criminal laws. now, we're at the motion to dismiss stage. the government has charged the specific criminal laws. we have to assume they're true. >> my response to that i think would be to emphasis what they said in marbury. >> this gentleman also clerked for antonin scalia.

>> reporter: the answer in sauer's view, yes, so long as the president was impeached and convicted first, pinning much of his argument on the senate acquitting mr. trump at his 2021 impeachment trial. a position doj cast as frightening. >> what kind of world are we living in the president has a unique constitutional role but he is not above the law. >> and laura, what can you expect going forward in this case >> reporter: this appeals court is likely to rule very fast, lester, potentially even this week or next now, if mr. trump were to lose in front of this appeals court, he could appear even further, potentially up to the supreme court. all the while, though, the march trial date is ticking and his lawyers have not been shy about the fact that their goal is to delay, lester. >> all right, laura, thank you. >>> secretary of state antony blinken is in israel tonight, his fourth visit since the hamas terror attack, telling israel the palestinian death tool is far too high. andrea mitchell spoke with the secretary in an exclusive interview. >> reporter: tonight, hostage families protesting

sauer: we have two arguments. if there is no impehmt ever and no conviction, and the official acts are immune. period. further, the impeachment judgment clause incorporates a doctrine -- document of double jeopardy that prohibits it especially in the se of acquittal. those are reinforcing doctrines set for the in the constitution -- set forth in the constitution. no further questions, we ask the court to reverse. >> thank you. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2024] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy visit ncicap.org] >> after this case was heard president trump spoke to reporters. he referred to the investigation of the role as the real threat to democracy this is 10 minutes. >> good afternoon, i would like to make some comments. this is the momentous day. this is the first anaheim our nation's history that a sitting president has decided to prosecute his major opponent who is leading in all the polls in the countr

sauer: we have two arguments. if there is no pehment ever and no conviction, and the official acts are immune. period. further, the impeachment judgment clause incorporates a doctrine -- document of double jeopardy that prohibits it especially in the case of acquittal. those are reinforcing doctrines set for the in the constitution -- set forth in the constitution. no further q >> after the u.s. court of appeals for the case, former president trump spoke to reporters. he referred to the investigation into his alleged role on the january 6 the u.s. capitol attack, as the real threat to democracy. this is 10 minutes. >> good afternoon, i'd like to make some comments on behalf of president trump. this is a momentous day. it's the first time in our nations history that a sitting president has decided to prosecute his major opponent, who is leading in all the poles the country. the issues that the court had to deal with today were -- whether or not the president of the united states could be prosecuted for carrying out

here is an exchange between judge and john sauer, trump attorney. he really shows how far they tested this. >> the president order to assassinate a political rival? that is an effectual act? >> you would have to be impeached and convicted before there prosecution. >> if you want, there would be no prosecution or criminal liability for that? >> our constitution and plain language of the impeachment judgment close all principles that with the founders were concerned about. >> i asked you a yes or no question. could a president who ordered to assassinate a political rival who was not impeached? can he be subject to criminal prosecution? >> if you were impeached and convicted first. >> your answer is no? >> my answer is qualified yes. >> that was judge pan . she really cornered john sauer to finally say that there is a possibility for a president to be prosecuted. >> if you are inside that proceeding and you watched it very closely with a good seat inside of the courtroom and you notice how trump was reacting to what was going on. share of it. >> he was

sauer. >> and not entirely true. which james pierce, who said, let's just remember that richard nixon ordered the cia to interfere with an fbi investigation. those are official acts. and he was going to be prosecuted for those official acts. glenn kirschner, thank you for reporting from the court today, and andrew weissmann thank you for joining us and starting us off tonight. coming up, harvard constitutional law professor laurence tribe will give us his ruling on today's appeals court argument that did not appear to go well for defendant trump. professor laurence tribe is next. [ engine starting ] [ "dancing in the moonlight" playing ] stand out in the new, restyled volkswagen atlas cross sport. it does life beautifully. when migraine strikes are the tradeoffs of treating worth it? ubrelvy is another option, it quickly eliminates migraine pain. do not take with strong cyp3a4 inhibitors. allergic reactions to ubrelvy can happen. most common side effects were nausea and sleepiness. ask about ubrelvy. your record labe

sauer. >> and not entirely true. which james peters, who said it's comments, let's just remember the richard nixon ordered the cia to interfere with an fbi investigation. those are official acts. he was going to be prosecuted for those official glatt acts. glenn kirschner, fake you for reporting from the court today, and andrew weissmann thank you for joining us and starting us off tonight. coming up, harvard constitutional law professor laurence tribe will give us his ruling on today's appeals court argument that did not appear to go well. for defendant trump. professor laurence tribe is next. >>>professor laurence tribe i next baby: liberty. how many people did you tell? only pay for what you need. jingle: ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ baby: ♪ liberty. ♪ i was stuck. unresolved depression symptoms were in my way. i needed more from my antidepressant. vraylar helped give it a lift. adding vraylar to an antidepressant... is clinically proven to help relieve overall depression symptoms... ...better than an antidepres

out was the various hypotheticals that the judge kept trying to pose to trump's attorneys, to john sauer, to try to test his argument, which is that the former president cannot be prosecuted because of the acts he was accused of doing while in office. and the crux of that argument turns on this idea that because the former president was impeached by the house and was acquitted by the senate, that means that there cannot be a prosecution of the former president for those very same actions. here's judge florence pan trying to stretch out this argument that the former president's legal team is making. listen. >> could a predorder seal team 6 to assassinate a political rival? that's an official act in order to seal team 6. >> he would have to be and would speedily be impeached and convicted. >> but if he weren't, there would be more criminal prosecution, no criminal liability for that? >> the opinion of our constitution and the plain language of the impeachment judgment clause, all three suppose what the founders were concerned about -- >> i asked you a yes or no question. could a president

this happened. >> reporter: the door plug that blew off friday landed behind high school teacher bob sauer'sse. >> it was unbelievable that that thing that people had been looking for all weekend happened to be in my yard. >> reporter: with every max 9 grounded ahead of faa inspections, the faa today said the safety of the flying public, not speed, will determine the timeline for returning the boeing max 9 to service. a former boeing whistle-blower who testified in congress about two fatal max 8 crashes fears boeing's culture has not changed. >> things don't change, it's going to be a major tragedy, and it's going to be horrible for families. >> reporter: with a max 9 grounded, united and alaska canceled hundreds of more flights again today and expect to cancel flights through the week. lester? >> all right, tom costello tonight, thank you. >>> up next, police drug tests lead to tens of thousands of mistaken arrests each year. the alarming new study with so many americans caught in the middle. oh thanks! i splurged a little because liberty mutual customized my car insurance and i saved hundr

sauer: we have two arguments. if there is no impeachment ever and no conviction, and the official acts are immune. period. further, the impeachment judgment clause incorporates a doctrine -- document of double jeopardy that prohibits it especially in the case of acquittal. those are reinforcing doctrines set r the in the constitution -- set forth in the constitution. no further role as the real thrt to democracy this is 10 minutes. e to make some comments. this is the momentous day. this is the first anaheim our nation's history that a sitting president has decided to prosecute his major opponent who is leading in all the polls in the country. the issues are momentous. whether or not a president of the united states could be prosecuted for carrying out his responsibilities doing his job as president. we can't have a country where every four years there is a cycle of political where one administration attacks a prior administration, when in fact, that candidate is leading in the polls and will be the next president

but the question that was raise bid john sauer, this idea of george w. bush and the i intelligence that was provided to congress before the iraq war, is that something he could be prosecuted for, obama and drone strikes, raising that question? does what trump's attorney warned about here, is that a real warning, this idea that if this ruling here denying trump's claim of presidential immunity, does that open the door to other prosecutions like that? >> well, the way to think about it, kate lan, is you might think the door's always been open and the president's lawyers are asking us to shut it, that is to say i don't think there was any sense prior to this filing that the president was immune from prosecution for his official acts and that there would be a trial and he would have a defense that my act was legal and therefore i can't be prosecuted for it. so you know, you can describe it as a pandora's box or you could describe it as we didn't believe prior to this that presidents ought to be prosecuted for the acts that they took while in office. you can

there are not going to adopt either what sauer said or that jack smith team said and instead implementing more like a qualified immunity. and i think that the supreme court will also probably take that and kind of slice it up as to your actions taken by president should have immunity attached to them, but certain actions should not. >> on that front, i want to listen to what one of trump's attorneys, john sauer, argue today. >> could george w. bush be prosecuted for obstruction of official president for allegedly giving false information to congress, to induce that nation to go to war under those prices? could president obama be charged with murder for allegedly approving drone strikes to top it so doesn't abroad? >> both of those examples are actions that were pretty clearly part of bush and a bomb's presidential duties. is that not a bit of average hearing here in this argument? >> i think that what he's doing there, to a certain degree, is countering jack smith's argument that there is no immunity at all for a former president. and so those types of things that he listed that should

met with the family and shared a troubling drawing that morning depicting his nine millimeter sig sauer handgun, a person shot and messages like the thoughts won't stop, help me. >> that's what this case is about. >> it's about jennifer crumbly, willful disregard of the danger that she knew of that meeting with the school lasting just 11 minutes. >> no one checking the shooter's backpack for a gun, and within hours he would open fire. teacher molly darnell taking the stand in tears, describing the moment she was shot. >> i locked eyes, he didn't hesitate in court. >> jennifer crumbly emotional, her attorney arguing she did the best she could as a mother, claiming the parents kept the gun under lock and key, and school officials didn't inform her of several red flags or consider her son a threat. >> she did not have it on her radar in any way that there was any mental disturbance that her son would ever take a gun into a school. that her son would ever shoot. people >> our trevor thank you. formerly conjoined twin girls are celebrating one year since the risky but life changing surgery t

or she is first impeached by the house and convicted by the senate that's what his attorney, john sauer told a three judge panel of the d. c. circuit court of appeals today. and what's more, in a remarkable exchange with one of them, judge florence pan he conceded that the principle would apply even if a president ordered a hit on a political opponent. >> i asked you, yes or no, a yes or no question. could a president who ordered seal team six to assassinate a political rival, who was not impeached, could he be subject to criminal prosecution? >> if he were impeached and convicted first, hands down. >> so your answer is? >> yes. -- >> well that's the kind of thought experiment judges often pose to probe the limits of an argument before them. rarely do they get such a breathtaking answer. according to our elie honig, who we will hear from in a minute. the exchange prompted james pierce, the attorney representing special counsel jack smith to ask, quote, what kind of world are we living in? if that hypothetical holds true. for his part, the former president suggested that losing his case

. >> the republican front runner running or watching on as court as his lawyer john sauer in courage the judge to break new legal ground, emphasizing everything he did was took place while he was still in the white house. >> winning in every poems being prosecuted by the administration that you seem to. replace >> one justice department argues nothing in the constitution supports shielding mr. trump from prosecution now. >> never before has there been allegations that a sitting president has, with private individuals, and using the levers of power, sought to fundamentally subvert the democratic republic and the electoral system. it would be awfully scary if there weren't some sort of mechanism by which to reach that criminally. >> judge florence pan, a biden appointee, posing stark hypotheticals on what a future president could do if mr. trump's view prevailed. >> can the president order seal team six to assassinated political rival? >> the answer, in sauer's view, is rest, as long as the president wasn't indicted impeached first. -- a position doj cast as frightening. >> what kind o

basically after judge pan asked that hypo about team six, sauer, trump's lawyer, was a dead man walkinghould moves he should lose. legally, historically, logically, et cetera. so in that sense there is the satisfaction that this vampire of a claim will have a stake in its heart. but below the headline, chris, there's more drama, i would say, because this is one of the cases in which the three judges were kind of probing different theories, at one stage judge henderson said maybe we need to remand to add ask judge chutkan this. they were probing different ideas, none of which was in lockstep with what chutkan said. there are two reasons it matters. depending on how they decide, even if they were unanimous, and you could see concurrence from judge henderson, if they were unanimously could affect the prospects for a remand, and remand might entail a subsequent round of appeals under the remanded standard by trump and a little bit more delay. it also could affect whether the supreme court takes review. so that lower level, there was some drama. i think people were basically not confident ab

>> the answer, in sauer's view, yes, as long as the president wasd impeached first.s spending much of his argument on the impeachment of trump during his 2021 trial, a position doj cast as frightening. >> what kind of world are we living in? the president has the unique constitutional role, but he is not above the law. >> so that's what went down in court. there was not a lot of space or time for political theater, so donald trump saved that for after the hearing, and when it was all over he and his lawyers went to the d. c. waldorf astoria to give their version of the day and predict what will happen if they lose this case. >> there will be bedlam in the country. it's a very bad thing. it's a very bad precedent. we can see the opening of a pandora's box. that's a very sad thing that has happened with this whole situation. when they talk about a threat to democracy, that's your real threat to democracy. we think we had a very good day today. >> you just were use the word bedlam. what would you tell your supporters now -- , no matter what, no violence? >> trump is exp

armstrong. >> no one else in the world had a sig sauer p365 and left their dna at the scene.ution rests. >> there is a lot of sizzle. there's not much steak. it's a case based on assumptions. it's based on confirmation bias, and a lack of direct evidence. >> the defense absolutely focused on the fact that in this digital age with all of these cameras that not a single image of kaitlin armstrong carrying out the murder was admitted into evidence. >> we were not able to see anybody in the driver's seat. it was dark at the time. we weren't able to see any occupants in the jeep. >> was kaitlin in the black jeep? who had access to the black jeep? who had access to the key fob to the black jeep? >> you and your partner seem to imply that colin may have been driving the jeep that night. do you think colin was driving that black jeep? >> it's not our role to solve that crime. we want to make sure the jury considers all the possibilities. >> the defense seemed to be implying that it could have just as easily have been colin as it was thought to be kaitlin, which is absurd and ridiculo

backyard, and i was the first one to actually see it landing in the backyard of portland teacher bob sauer. >> a friend of mine called me and said, you should probably check your backyard once i'd finished my work for the day, i, i came out to look for it, and that's when i found it. well, my heart started beating a little faster. so yeah, i guess i was excited. i went back in the house and i first called the ntsb. we were very careful not to touch anything during that time because i figured the ntsb would want to see it in a condition that had fallen in the images of the door plug and the plane, triggering new questions means there is more than likely a problem here with the latching mechanism or with the way it was installed. >> attention. >> now, turning to the company that manufactured the fuselage of boeing 737 max nine, spirit aerosystems. issues with its fuselages led to delays of boeing max planes last year, the company saying in a statement. spirit is a committed partner with boeing on the 737 program, and we continue to work together with them on this matter. kelly bartlett, desc

massacre after officials shared this troubling drawing that morning depicting his 9 millimeter sig sauer handgun, a person shot, and messages like, "the thoughts won't stop. help me." >> that's what this case is about. it's about jennifer crumbley's willful disregard of what she knew of. >> reporter: that meeting with the school lasting just 11 minutes, no one checking the shooter's backpack for a gun. within hours he would open fire. today prosecutors calling eyewitnesses to the stand. teacher molly darnell in tears describing the moment she was shot. >> i locked eyes. he didn't hesitate. >> reporter: prosecutors showing the jury these messages between the crumbley parents about purchasing the weapon, jennifer crumbley asking her husband, "you get gun?" they both got guns this week testing them out at the range. in court today, jennifer crumbley emotional, her attorney arguing she did the best she could as a mother, claiming the parents kept the gun under lock and key and school officials didn't inform her of several red flags or consider her son a threat. >> she did not have it on her

>> bob sauer is his name. he is a physics teacher. of a physics lesson. the door came down in his backyard, only blocks away from where phones were found in other parts of the plane were found. he said this is the most exciting thing to ever happen on his street. this is what he said. >> i saw it in the flashlight light that there was something gleaming back there and it should not have been there. i thought that was curious. i went back to look at it and it turned out to be the door. this is the most exciting thing that has ever happened on this street. >> today they are going to visit bob's physics class. could not have had a better physics lesson. why did the door and up a little farther away than the other stuff that gravity brought straight down? the door plug itself is curved, so it glided a bit like awaiting and that's why it ended up a few blocks away. >> that has to be crazy to sit on a plane and that door flies off and rockets up the way it was described. >> these powerful springs on the hinges, it goes about 15 degrees from the fuselage. it sou

. >> we heard trump's attorney making the argument, john sauer, say at the end, in closing after his rebuttal, we want to make sure that if we don't prevail here, that this is heard meaning at all the appellate judges or the supreme court. >> the supreme court does not have to take it, and i'm -- i'm getting to believe that they won't take it. >> tell us why. >> it's not the right case to take for this important issue. it's too obvious here. they need a closer case, i think, to make important law like this. this one is so open and shut. i mean, these weren't even part offist his official duties. i don't think it's the right case for the supreme court to take and they might not do it. with respect to enbank if he that it's for delay. if he moves for enbank reconsideration, it's simply to run the clock. it's not going to change the outcome here >> judge, thank you. >> as always. >>> overnight the u.s. navy shot down 21 houthi missiles and drones launched from yemen in one of the largest houthi attacks in the red sea in months. >>> also defense secretary lloyd austin revealing he has be

john sauer says yes, he is and made the case the donald trump was acting in his capacity as president are immune from legal consequences but impeachment and conviction process laid out in the constitution sets the stage for that. blanket immunity for presidents is dangerous if exploited. >> what world are we living in, i understood my friend on the other side to say the president orders seal team to assassinate a political rival and resigns before in impeachment, not a connell act, president resigns or is not impeached, not a crime. that is extraordinarily frightening future. >> reporter: donald trump is in the courtroom and so was jack smith. they gotta taste of the case to case showdown that happened in march if the doj guests it's way. trump today says this is all political and an effort to influence the 2024 election. >> it is very unfair when an opponent, political opponent, by biden's doj, is a sad thing that happened in this situation, when you talk about threat to democracy. that's your threat to democracy. >> reporter: the court will come out with its decision, could be days

is the question that was raised by john sauer or george w. the intelligence that is provided to congress. that be something that he could be prosecuted for obama and drone strikes raising that question. i mean, does what trump's attorney warned about here -- is that a real warning about this idea? if this ruling here, denying trump's claim for presidential minutes. does that open the door to other prosecutions like that? >> well, the way to think about it is that you might think the door has always been open. the presidents are asking us to shut. it that is to say, i don't think there was any sense prior to this filing at the president was immune to prosecution for his official acts. and that there would be a trial in a defense that it was legal. and therefore, he cannot be prosecuted for it. so, you can describe it as a pandora's box or as we didn't believe prior to this at the present will be prosecuted for that city took one office. lincoln fought a civil war, presumably there was damage done to various sorts. people were killed, obviously

sauer, argued in court today. >>> could george w.ecuted for obstruction of an official proceeding for allegedly giving false information to congress, to induce a nation to go to iraq at war under false pretenses? could president obama be potentially charged with murder for allegedly authorizing drone strikes targeting u.s. citizens located abroad? >> reporter: both of those examples are actions that were pretty clearly part of bush and obama's presidential duties. isn't that a bit of a red herring here in this argument? >>> well, i think what he's doing there to a certain degree is countering jack smith's argument that there is no immunity at all four of former president. and so those types of things that he listed that should have immunity attached to them, if you accept jackson its argument, then when the white house changes hands, the next administration could theoretically prosecute somebody for those things. i don't think -- >> reporter: when they only be able to prosecute them if they were actually illegal? i think that's the p

john sauer as trump looked on. >> can president order seal team six to assassinate a political rival as an official act? >> he would have to be impeached and convicted before -- >> there would be no criminal liability for that? >> [indiscernible] all clearly what the founders were concerned about -- >> it is a yes or no question. could a president order seal team six to assassinate a political rival when not impeached, would he be subject to criminal persecution? >> if you were impeached and convicted first. amy: following the hearing, trump warned of bedlam if the justice department's case against him damages his chances at re-election. trump also warned he'd go after biden if re-elected. pres. trump: he has to be careful because that can happen to him also. the next president, whoever that may become has a statute of limitations that goes back six years. that is a long time, joe. you have to be very careful. amy: ecuador's president daniel noboa on tuesday declared a state of internal armed conflict as drug trafficking violence continues to soar. the move prompted a wave of attacks

backyard bob, bob sauer teaches physics, really the hero of this latest chapter of this investigation. maybe the best physics lesson ever. the biggest discovery, though, along with the phones and other parts that have been found in portland streets, and he says it's maybe the most exciting thing to ever happen on his street. >> i saw in the flashlight that there was something gleaming back there, which shouldn't have been there. oh, that's curious. so i went back to look at it, and it turned out to be the door. this is the most exciting thing that's ever happened on this street. >> i spoke to ntsb jennifer homendy about this discovery and says she wants to go to the school where bob teaches physics. one interesting physics lesson, the reason why this door was separated from the phones and headset and other things that got sucked out of the hole is that it has some curvature to it. it sailed a bit like a wing which is why it was a few blocks away. >> pete muntean, thank you for your excellent reporting. >>> joining us now is ed peerson, a senior manager at the po boeing 737 factory and

a moment ago dean sauer, one of the attorneys was asked by a judge that the current incumbents, a quote the presidency is prosecuting his number one political opponent and his greatest electoral threat. the arguments continue into a number of different areas. three-judge panel, all women, two appointed by joe biden about a year and a half ago. one appointed by george bush 41 in 1990. we'll continue to follow the arguments as we get more inside of america's newsroom. that from washington, d.c. >> dana: this, bill. boeing will hold a company-wide safety meeting after a door panel blew out of one of their jets over the weekend. now the ntsb says two airlines reported finding loose parts on some of those jets. dan springer the live outside boeing's assembly plant south of seattle where the meeting will take place. >> hi, dana. boeing is calling this a safety webcast. david calhoun, the company's ceo is running it from washington at the assembly plant where the boeing 737 max the put together. they have a lot to talk about given what happened on friday and the details that we have learned si

today, trump lawyer john sauer the court that as president, driving new headlines shall shock anyone with a sense of shock left. a former president would have immunity for the assassination of rivals and that immunity covers having rivals assassinated in america according to trump's lawyer in court today. that is what he affirmed. this is not a drill. this is now asserted in court, a very public, very damming, very dangerous part of this former president's defense. in arguments that are designed to try to cancel, to prevent what is currently the planned federal trial of defendant trump for alleged criminal acts to overthrow an election which of course drew on violence on january 6th. you're going to hear it all. we're going to play it for you. if this sounds extreme or farfetched, first of all, it is as a legal claim. at the same time, and i want to be very clear as i speak to you, news viewers, people watching television, people watching this online wherever you find it now or later, i want to be very clear with you in plain english tonight, this license to murder is what trump's te

his attorney, john sauer, argued for nearly 45 minutes the presidents in their official act have total immunity from criminal prosecution. if not they would face endless partisan prosecutions. the three judges hearing the issue, one a george h.w. bush pointy and the two others biden appointees expressed skepticism. >> it's paradoxical to say his constitutional duty that the laws be faithefully executed allows him to violate criminal laws. >> though judge henderson she also worried about opening the floodgates of prosecuting former presidents. special counsel jack smith east office argued there has never been a case from weather a president conspired with private individuals to stay in office after losing an election. james pierce argued for the special counsel's office saying that type of sweeping immunity would lead to a very frightening future. >> what kind of world are we living in if as i understood my friend on the other side to say here a president orders his seal team assassinate a political rival and resigns, for example, before an impeachment? not a criminal act. >> now the ju

john sauer sthad a president could be prosecuted under certain circumstances, and not a k case of absolute immunity, but the condition for you at home, if that president were impeached and if that president were convicted, that would be a singular way for the president to be prosecute and that is a huge "if." >> and also, they argued that a sitting is president could order his political opponents to be killed or to be murdered and they could not be prosecuted for that unless they were impeached and convicted by the senate. i mean, elie, what did you make of the three-panel judge in a fascinating back and forth. >> we have that clip. >> and a real twist. donald trump's changed the brief, and the doj said that they have evolved, and donald trump's team made it harder than they needed to, and quote, what a different federal judge said that you climbed out on the limb than you need not have, and now you are in the process of sawing it out, and now an awkward difficult to reconcile that the only way they have argued that a president or former president could be criminally prosecuted is if he is

trump's attorney, john sauer says trump does have immunity and that the behave in question by the specialounsel were official acts, not private conducts and president trump was acting in his capacity as president. he also said it's not that presidents are immune from any legal consequences or above the law bah that impeachment and conviction, the process laid out in the constitution, sets the stage for that if appropriate. the assistant special counsel countered the argument that blanket immunity for presidents saying it's dangerous if it's exploited. >> i mean what kind of world are we living in if, as i understood my friend on the other side to say here, a president orders his seal team to assassinate a political rival and resigns, for example, before an impeachment, not a criminal act. president sell as pardon, resigns, resigns or not impeached, not a crime. i think that is extraordinarily frightening future. >> reporter: president trump was in the courtroom today and so was special counsel jack smith. so the two got a taste of the face-to-face showdown that could happen first week in

sauer certainly had a tough hand to handle with this panel.r clint is immine ud from prosecution if he orders s.e.a.l. team 6 to assassinate political rival. essentially, their argument was precisely what we saw from the briefs and what we discussed from the past, accepting this narrow instance where a president is impeached and convicted on the impeachment he can't be criminally prosecuted after he least office, he's in essence a king and above the law, the panel played out with trump's lawyer just how many ways there were for a president to duck impeachment and conviction including resignation if a conviction appeared imminent or even killing his rivals in the senate so there wouldn't be enough votes to convict on impeachment. in the end the judge put mr. sauer into a box and got him to concede that it had to be that presidents could be prosecuted in the court system, the only question was when and whether trump was eligible. >> so, as a delay tactic, how effective could this be, we had glenn kirshner on the show earlier, depending on the co

oregon high school teacher bob sauer discovered the missing alaska airlines plane doorin missing alaska airlines plane door in his garden . door in his garden. >> i could see that there was something gleaming white underneath the trees in the back that isn't normally there , and that isn't normally there, and when i went to investigate it, it was very obviously part of a plane . it had the same curvature plane. it had the same curvature as a fuselage. it had a plane type window in it, and it was white, which is why it was gleaming . gleaming. >> and back in the uk , more snow >> and back in the uk, more snow is expected across the country as the health security agency issues an amber cold health alert for parts of the country. the winter weather follows storm henk, which left large areas flooded and thousands of homes damaged. more than 100 flood warnings remain in place across the uk , and earlier weather the uk, and earlier weather journalist nathan raw told gb news that plummeting temperatures could make things worse . woi'se. >> worse. >> areas along the river thames, the river tren

oregon high school teacher bob sauer discovered the missing alaska airlines plane door in his gardenen. >> i could see that there was something gleaming white underneath the trees in the back that isn't normally there. and when i went to investigate it, it was very obviously part of a plane. it had the same curvature as the fuselage . it had a plane as the fuselage. it had a plane type window in it, and it was white, which is why it was gleaming back here in the uk. >> pothole related insurance claims have jumped 40% year on yeah claims have jumped 40% year on year. that's according to insurer admiral, who report 1300 claims were filed last year, compared to around 940 in 2022. the insurer says the cost of pothole related damage has also increased by 29% in 2023, compared with the previous year. that's due to higher tech vehicles and general increase in the price of those repairs. student loans will apparently cost the government some £10 billion a year due to higher interest rates, according to the institute of. according to rather, the institute for fiscal studies, the government c

we heard from his lawyer there, john sauer, who began and ended today's hearing. we also heard from the special counsel team in the middle. and those were questions directly from this appeals court to those two sides. i want to bring in our legal experts here with me, and it is chuck rosenberg and lisa rubin joining me to discuss what we just heard. i'll start with you, lisa, ladies first. >> oh, wow. >> what stands out? >> i think what stands out to me, ana, two things. one, there is an argument that was made by some friends of the court, what we call amici, an organization called american oversight that said the court didn't even have jurisdiction to hear this appeal. why? because in the ordinary course you are to go through an entire prosecution before you appeal it, the number of instances or types of situations in which you can bring amid case appeal should be limited to particular kinds of cases. and their argument was there is no appeal in the middle of the case unless there is an ambiguous right to that appeal. that argument was much more appealing to thes

sauer argues that that was your chance. and he was acquitted.nd so no further charges should be brought. the prosecutors say impeachment is irrelevant, particularly in terms of a former president that he can be charged after leaving office. and even after an impeachment decision has been rendered that he could be charged at that point. host: let us hear from mike, texas. republican line. caller: good morning. impeached over a phone call. he should've bribed them, just like joe. jack smith has a record. and, i know that we are focused so much on trump because if we talk about trump and the callers tell us how evil he is prosperity is made better. i do not get it. they are so much better off by telling us how much they hate trump. the thing is jack smith held back exculpatory information on governor mcdonald of virginia when he was a one term, all governors are. and the supreme court overturned his conviction 9-0. so that one should just sit there and bake for a little of this -- for a little bit. host: how does that relate to the case today? call