but let me tell you what has happened to saul berenson because of fear. because mandy and saul together have lived with the real world, but i live in the fictional version of it, so i read these lines all day long and then i'm an old guy so i have to do them a hundred million times to learn them. and then i spend 14 to 16 hours a day shooting this dark tale that we are all living in the real world, not the fixal world. then i leave and watch your show, and read the newspaper and it's more of what i have been doing at work. and you know what has happened to me, i'm not afraid. and you say what do you mean are you not a i had fra. are you not afraid of terrorists coming to your neighborhood, time care, or a movie theater. i'm truly not. i go anywhere and everywhere and i will never stop. why, because i think have i been desense advertised to it in a positive way. so the only thing that i think positively that might happen for all this terror and fear is i have i eventually we'll stop being so afraid and we will get on with living this very short life we have

tell me about the evolution of saul berenson. we just saw a scene from a very in which he lost and it was about his humanity. it was about friends who had been killed. it was about the trail. it was about a whole range of things. even all of since you first created the character? mandy: you know, he and i are , and he has taught me to be more hopeful and more optimistic in my life. he has taught me to go to greece and hold these families in my arms. saul berenson taught me that because of the necessary things one needs to do to keep america safe, use some drones sometimes. it?how do you balance you find a way to feed your soul and your moral heart by taking care of human beings whenever you can. he is a bit naive, like mandy at times, in his hope and optimism. he is a tough guy, and he will do whatever it takes to keep the world safe, but he sometimes trusts people that he may be shouldn't be so trustful of. he is in great pain and suffering most of the time over the condition of the world, and he would love -- my friend larry no

but let me tell you what has happened to saul berenson in terms of fear. use mandy and saul, together have lived in the real world. but i live in a fictional version. i read these lines all day long, and i am old, so i have to read them a hundred million times to learn them. and then i shoot this dark tale that we are all living in the real world. and then i leave work and i go and i watch your show, and i read the newspaper, and it's more of what i have been doing at work. and do you know what has happened to me? i am not afraid. and you say, what do you mean you're not afraid? you are not afraid of a terrorist coming into your home or a movie theater? i am truly not. i will go anywhere and everywhere, and i will never stop. why? because i think i have been desensitized to it in a positive way. i think possibly the only thing that will happen from all this fear is that eventually we will. -- we will stop being so afraid. we will get on with living. this very short life we have to live. saul is not afraid, and neither is mandy. i am afraid of other things,

did you get to know any of the thatted saul berenson has? >> yes, i have, and i know one very well, and the writers and claire and myself go every year in january, and we sit with all the heads of national security, c.i.a., other security forces, white house, et cetera, and they come in two hours at a time, three days straight, for 10-hour days, lunch and breakfast. us. we're actually asking them what are you most tightened about? what concerns you the most? conversations calm you down, mandy patinkin, or do they >> they frighten you, and it's more information than any human being needs to know. may i please s couple things about fear, which we are all dealing with all over the world. if he were is a very healthy thing to have. no one can get away without it. you gotta have fear to run out of a burning building. but to fear monger and this fear mongering and hatred that's going obey people running for the president of the united states, is so misguided. our arms and our hearts to refugees that are fleeing a horrifying situation. ( cheers and

my first guest is a tony and emmy-winning actor who plays saul berenson on "homeland." and what makes you think i even know where she is or how they're going to get her out of the country. >> because if she were my agent i'd know because i'd know everything about her down to the very last detail. when to laugh at her jokes. >> except she's the one running me. >> i say this respectfully. one professional to another. you're playing a badad hand. >> stephen: please welcome mandy patinkin. ( cheers and applause ) >> stephen: thanks for being here, and thank you for bringing your beard along this time. >> you're welcome. >> stephen: you don't always travel with your beard. >> i know. it's a pleasure to see you. >> stephen: nice to see you. the finale is sunday. >> yes, this sunday. >> stephen: am i going to be okay? >> yess. i watch it like this gripping things every sunday. >> yes. >> stephen: it's all going to be okay? just tell me that. >> i can't tell you that for sure. i can't tell you anything for sure. but i can tell youhere will be some-- you'll be happy about some t