. >>> >>> and, saul gonzales on catholic women defying church law with unauthorized ordinations as priests, even if it means excommunication. >>> welcome, i'm bob abernethy. it's good to have you with us. religious leaders were among those who met with vice president joe biden this week in a series of white house meetings on gun control. according to one clergy member present at the meeting, they spoke of the moral requirement to reduce gun violence. in december, a week after the elementary school shooting in connecticut, a large interfaith group called on lawmakers to improve mental health services and strengthen gun laws. >> our worship of guns is a form of idolatry, the random distribution of guns, an offense against god and the only appropriate response is sustained moral outrage. >>> jewish groups were divided over president obama's pick of former republican senator chuck hagel for secretary of defense. in the past, hagel was heavily criticized for comments he made about a "jewish lobby" in washington and for positions he took on iran. several jewish groups that had previously express