it's never been done. >> saul goodman. yeah, it's like it's all good, man. of energy. >> yeah. it's just a name. >> stephen: please welcome bob odenkirk! ( cheers and applause ) ( band playing ) >> stephen: hey. ( cheers and applause ) nice to see you again. saul goodman, who, you know, you obviously played for many years. >> yes. >> stephen: fast-talking -- he's a hustler. >> yes, he is. he's the opposite of me. somebody once asked me, if i saw saul goodman in a room would i want to hang out with him? i said, no way. i wouldn't go near that guy. >> stephen: would you be able to identify saul goodman? >> oh, yeah, his hands would be moving and he would have a lot of energy and he'd spin everything, you know, a certain way. you know, that kind of activity. i don't know if you've ever seen it. ( laughter ) >> stephen: i think i just talked to him for 20 minutes, actually. ( cheers and applause ) saul goodman, that's not the first lawyer you've played, i understand. >> when i was a little kid -- well, a younger kid -- i did pretend to be a lawyer once, yes. >>

i wouldn't go near that guy. >> stephen: would you be able to identify saul goodman?, yeah, his hands would be of energy and he'd spin everything, you know, a certain way. you know, that kind of activity. i don't know if you've ever seen it. ( laughter ) >> stephen: i think i just talked to him for 20 minutes, actually. ( cheers and applause ) saul goodman, that's not the first lawyer you've played, i understand. >> when i was a little kid -- well, a younger kid -- i did pretend to be a lawyer once, yes. >> stephen: how old? 15. >> stephen: 15? yes, my friend pete had used the gas station as a short cut, and -- >> stephen: to get around traffic or something? >> yes, and he had to go to court. a policeman saw that. so i showed up, and i had cards and i wore a suit and i said, i'm his lawyer, handed out the cards. >> stephen: you said bob odenkirk, lawyer? >> i said bob odenkirk, lawyer, and then they told me to sit down and shut up. and then my friend judge your highness. ( laughter ) he did not get off with it. >> stephen: what was your end game? what were you hoping

he really takes a big step forward to becoming this character of saul goodman who you met in "breakingmed me out. and i've been one, for this whole time going, "let's go, let's move this thing along!" and then when the character does this thing where he hurts this old woman's feelings at a senior citizen home -- [ laughter ] played by irene -- a character named irene landry played by jean effron, a great actress, and he sort of intentionally ostracizes her from the other people at the home. and i called the person who runs the show, peter gould, and i said, "does he have to do this?" [ laughter ] and he goes, "bob, the show is called 'better call saul.' i don't know if you've seen 'breaking bad,' but you have to become that guy." [ light laughter ] i was like, "yeah, you're right." >> seth: the other thing you had to do this year that i heard was difficult is you had to eat a lot of doritos. >> oh, yeah. we have a scene where i ate doritos. and usually if you do that on a show, they get you the healthy version or whatever. i haven't had a dorito in 30 years. i've actually smoked pot mo

he's going to be saul goodman.an. >> do you remember "breaking bad"? >> do you remember that show you were on? i said you're right but i felt terrible he made this risk because i do love this guy, jimmy mcgill. and saul is somebody i don't like so much. he is a guy who basically very mercenary, selfish, the art of the deal kind of guy who just wants to use the people around him and doesn't really care how it affects them. jimmy is a guy who does care if he has hurt anyone. >> starting to see the turn, though. >> yes. >> just like "breaking bad" great characters but also great writing. >> wonderful writing. >> perfection is the enemy of perfectly adequate. >> so many funny lines. they slip these really funny lines into the show and that are -- there's a scene in this last season where he's crying. he's emotional crying and he's trying to get his brother in trouble with this insurance executive who his brother's malpractice insurance and he cries and goes, my brother has all these problems and he's breaking up on the

this season, episode 7, he really took a big step toward being saul goodman.he manipulated the situation. o hurt somebody who he really liked, a character irene landry played by jean efron, a great actress.un the show. i said does he have to to this? does he have to be so bad? they said, hey, bob, that's the show. >> bob, do you remember "breaking bad?" on?remember that show you i said, you're right. i felt terrible that he made this choice because i do love this guy. i love this guy jimmy mcfwil. and saul is a guy i don't like so much. he's very mercenary, selfless, art of the deal kind of guy who wants to use the people around him. he doesn't care how it affects them. jimmy is a guy who does care if he's hurt anyone. >> we're starting to see the turn. >> just like "breaking bad," great characters. but also great writing. perfection is the enemy of perfectly adequate. >> so many funny lines. they slip these funny lines into the show, and i -- that are -- there's a scene in this last season where he's crying. he's emotional crying, and he's trying to get his t

goodman. >> do you remember "breaking bad"? >> i said you're right, but i felt terrible because i do love this guy. i love this guy jimmy mcgill and saul don't like so much. very mercenary, selfish, the art of the deal kind of guy who just wants to use the people around him and doesn't really care how it affects them. jimmy is a guy who does care if he's hurt anyone. >> you see the turn, though. starting to see the turn. >> just like "breaking bad," great characters but also great writing. that was a great clip that we played. perfection is the enemy of perfectly adequate. >> and so many funny lines. they slip these really funny lines into the show that are -- there's a scene in this last season where he's crying, he's emotional, crying, and he's trying to get his brother in trouble with this insurance executive, his brother's malpractice insurance. he cries and he goes my brother has all these problems and he's breaking up on the stand and then i say, it's in the transcript. and crying and saying that little detail is so funny and they write these hilarious moments for me. i come from comedy, so when i get to do those comic moments, i