i think saul lewinsky is respected. he was appealing to an antagonistic sort of what is in your self-interest, pitting groups against one another. you can say that is left or right, don't think it is dogmatic, just a sort of accepting the world as it is and the way human beings operate and he recruited people in the churches, organized in the churches. solomons he was a contributing reason a lot of churches are democratic voting blocs. he was effective, not dogmatic. >> host: is there any concern about filming people when they are not aware of it? is there and unfairness their? >> guest: i don't believe so. i think it is necessary. the information is of extreme public interest. the big stories life was earthshaking, we can't cnn's supervising producer on tape saying the ceo of cnn, told him to drop his investigative journalism and only focus on russia. he said it was all about money. do we want to live in a world where people are secretly recorded in elevators? probably not. but in some cases it is of look extreme publi