. >> host: you appropriate saul walinski's rule for solidarity. i wanted to walk through some of them. the first one is don't hurt people the title of the book. explain that. >> guest: i wanted to take the fundamental principle of voluntary cooperation, and you don't mess with other people and he don't threaten them and you don't hurt them and you expect them to treat you the same way. the libertarians have this fancy term nonaggressive principle and if you are in the know and you know the secret handshake, we love to chase people out of her room. it's common sense and you wouldn't have civilized society without that. it's also important to understand that the government, the experiments of the government are not theoretical. this is not stuff off the chalkboards. we know what happens when you give government government power brothers fascism or communism or any sort of-ism, radical islam in a third world dictator that uses religion or some rationale to control people it leads to a lot of people dying at the hands of the state. i think we need to