thinking of total power, they can at this wonderful antidote in this book about the eye of sauron. tell us all the eyes of sauron. >> well, particularly when he was younger, he had this habit, it was unbelievably unnerving that you could ask him a question and he wouldn't answer it. he would just stare at you. and i think human beings have to blank the certain amount time aware it could be an issue with i health. he seems to defy that sometimes, and when he looks at you and stares at you. and don graham told me he the same problem and other people's accounts of him, the first time i met him in 2006 i asked him some supple questions about facebook. how many students are enrolled, et cetera and he would just look at me. he would not answer the questions. at that what am i going on here? mind the twilight zone. he got better at minimizing that over the years. but every so often, go get that stare and one of his lieutenants andrew bosworth, no man is because, he described it as the eye of sauron. >> that is really something. you mentioned roger mcnamee, he was also a source for me. in