the conservatives -- in both england and the united states, and we inherited the anglo-saxon view of dealing with the poor or the problem with poverty. they are completely related and both of them want to undo the so-called welfare system. because they don't like to pay taxes. and they are not paying that much in taxes anyway. host: keynes who?, your avoids his approach. -- europe avoids his approach. the caller also talk about it ecological deal and we will come back to that in a minute. -- ideological zeal. margaret thatcher just celebrating her birthday -- has mr. birthday because of a fluke. anthony, could you hit the volume on your tv. we've got feedback. all right, sorry, we are going to have to move on. san jose, james, independent line. caller: good morning. i just wanted to avoid some of the simplistic characterization is -- characterization's. of course the british are correct saying you have to make some tough choices. but not talking about medicare, social security, and the military. i am a fiscal conservative with maybe socially liberal values. i do like having a strong