let's parse out sbic, sbir. >> sbic is a fund of funds.e have 4 billion a year that we invest in venture and private equity funds. those dollars are managed by those folks by small businesses around america. sbir is cash grants for companies that solve a problem. we find companies like our star here, nina, that solve a government problem or have fresh technology or new platform that the government is interested in. it's nimble, rapid procurement with your tax dollars making sense. >> those are grants. >> nondilutive, nonequity, cash grants. we give cash prizes, 50,000 bucks a year to accelerators around the u.s. doing great j s jobs. our last contest ended about a week ago. we're excited about the demographic distribution of our sk sell raters. it's startup capital, growth capital. >> how big are the grants. >> for a star like nina, a couple hundred thousand dollars in phase one which she received and then phase two, 1 million to $2 million which epibone got as well. >> tell us about this, how you found it. how did you get the money? >> th