and jp morgan and -- >> mike, sorry to sbrupt, we're having issues with your audio here, we're goingo have to try and get that straightened out. we want to get those levels and what you're doing, loud ask clear. across to the audience, brian, what's your take on carter's assessment? he mentioned the arrow could go up but he thinks the arrow is going to go down. do you agree with that? how are you feeling about the brokers? >> yeah, i think some of the banks and the major brokers have really been a trade where they're kind of stuck in the mid. that wedging channel you're seeing that carter brought up is if the market goes south some of these broker could break to the downside. morgan stanley being one of them. some of the big major players in the financial sector, one thing we'd like to do is trade structured notes with them. that's a fancy word for saying selling a downside put, or vice versa, selling an upside call. we think they're actually relatively pretty good premiums in some of these names. downside risk in big names, selling the way output, going a few months out seems to mak