our michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight along staff member panel scarlett mccgwire a formerur adviser and housewives favourite , ben habib, also known favourite, ben habib, also known as the ceo of first property group and a member of the reform uk party . uk party. >> oh, you get a little bluster. you want to say that? bless him, i'm sure you're a housewife's favourite as well, but you know, possibly not compared to ben, i hardly think so , am i? mum, hardly think so, am i? mum, i told you my mum was saying high praise about you the other day . praise about you the other day. i was thinking, oh, can you imagine if ben habib was my step dad? she's got a partner. dad? well, she's got a partner. so you're saying all. so you're saying it's all. you're all. absolutely. i thought to thought we were going to exchange numbers later. >> no, no, no. >> my and her partner will >> my mum and her partner will be watching this, i am sure. anyway, the drill, anyway, you know the drill, don't you? it's not just about anyway, you know the drill, d01three. ? it's not just about anyway, you k

it's scarlett mccgwire director for mccgwire and the director for the migration, the centre for migrationh of you, thank stephen wolf. both of you, thank you much. it is you very, very much. it is always first. scarlett always ladies first. scarlett i will start with you. the uncomfortable truth is that unless we can deport people, the illegal does illegal migration act does not matter , does it? illegal migration act does not ma'well,does it? illegal migration act does not ma'well, what t? illegal migration act does not ma'well, what we need is >> well, what we need is a proper system so that we proper asylum system so that we can process people and we can deport illegal migrants. >> and. and take in refugees who can then work and pay taxes. what we have at the moment is a complete clogging up. so it takes years, years and years for people to be processed . that's people to be processed. that's the real problem. and it's costing us £6 million a day at the moment . and that's what we the moment. and that's what we should be spending money on, not barges , not sending not rwanda . barges,

i've got scarlett mccgwire here and fraser meyers with me for the rest of the show. rlett, your reaction? is it because prince william and rishi sunak didn't bother turning? >> what obviously. i mean, you know, there was nobody to play for. no, i think it's dreadful that they didn't turn up . and we that they didn't turn up. and we know that had it been the men, they would have done. i think it's a real shame. i mean, i think they they they played their hearts out. but actually , their hearts out. but actually, spain did play better. but one of the things i want to say is, is wretched nike, who refused to do a goalkeeper's shirt, i mean , the english goalie was just fantastic. and the way she saved that penalty was absolutely brilliant. >> she was the star of the show, really, wasn't she? fraser although i'm not sure if you actually watched the match, but you must have heard some of our top analysis from aidan magee. >> i was on my way here >> i did. i was on my way here dunng >> i did. i was on my way here during unfortunately. but during it, unfortunately. but i mea

morning with the former chief secretary to the treasury david mellor, and former labour adviser scarlett mccgwire failure on of the police. absolutely. >> this is amazing story. >> this is amazing story. >> it's fascinating and it's terrible. so this guy, andrew malkin , was in jail for seven malkin, was in jail for seven teen years and he was completely innocent . that's bad teen years and he was completely innocent. that's bad enough . and innocent. that's bad enough. and now we discover that three years into the jail sentence , they into the jail sentence, they discovered that there was dna. so it was a rape. right. and the woman was bitten on her breast and it was different dna and they decided not to tell the defendant the defence and the criminal case review people said , “0, criminal case review people said , no, we're not going to do anything. so he spent i mean, it was it's bad enough spending three years. he spent an extra 14 years in jail because they didn't do anything . and it is i didn't do anything. and it is i mean , this man's life was mean, this man's life was completely ruined.

still with me in the studio is former labour advisor scarlett mccgwire and benjamin loughnane.ch fellow for the bow group. conservative think tank now and i have apologised by the way. i apologised by the way. i apologise if i was being slightly sexist to benjamin earlier on. i love him really, honestly and i am going to make sure watches football on sure he watches the football on sunday. cycling and sunday. right now, cycling and rowing have been the first sports to ban biological males from competing against women . we from competing against women. we all that. understandable, all get that. understandable, but the of chess has but now the world of chess has has waded in to this debate as well. now, i understand you don't want a strap in a huge man going up against you in a physical sport like boxing? probably not a good idea , but probably not a good idea, but chess now really , i mean, i chess now really, i mean, i can't play. i struggle with draughts. you wouldn't be surprised to hear that, would you? so, benjamin , you actually you? so, benjamin, you actually might not do

scarlett mccgwire welcomed . mccgwire welcomed. >> and you're hot under the collar. under the collar . this >> i am very hot under the collar. this is about the post office. so what? to remind everybody what happened was that they brought in new soft wear and. and it didn't work. and instead of agreeing that that it didn't work for each individual post office manager or not, each but lots of them were accused of defrauding the post office. they went to jail. some committed suicide. many have died since in ignominy . and they found out ignominy. and they found out that it was all a mistake. and then we discover that the post office bosses were taking were taking bonuses for doing this. they promised they'd pay it back . and they haven't. i mean , it . and they haven't. i mean, it is the argument that got the money and spent it. yes isn't it complicated because we've paid tax and we've done this, but actually, actually, i mean, these people should be hanging their heads in shame. it is it is absolute appalling what they did. and they didn't listen. they just didn't lis

and i'd like to if we've got david miller on scarlett mccgwire. now to talk about the papers .s. just i was saying earlier , david james was saying earlier, david james cleverly going to china. i'm sure you're a man who could see the worth of that. you can also see the problems with that as well. but i do laugh when you get a statement from the foreign office saying he's there to hold china's feet to the fire. i would say he's there to kiss their backsides. basically exactly. yeah. yeah. should have gone into politics, diplomacy, feeling for it. so what would you say what would you say to the wisdom of cleverly in china? you can see why he's going there. >> i think people are going because people are going, you know, in other words, others have gone. so he feels he has to go . go. >> and if we don't go, someone else to go and do a trade deal with them at the at end of with them at the at the end of the day, the threat of china is quite profound . quite profound. >> and the amount of money they're putting into armaments, they're putting into armaments, the amount of i mean, just