kevin and elizabeth schatz are serving prison sentences.a controversial parenting book in their home, a book that says good wants parents to spank their children with rods and switches and rubber tubing. the couple who wrote the book say they're not to blame for the schatzs it did. the district attorney sees it differently. once again, here's gary tuchman. >> michael pearl is a competitive knife and tomahawk thrower. he never misses the target. but it's just a hobby. his life's work is preaching. he targets what some might call extreme discipline of children. >> i've never met any well-trained emotionally secure, happy, creative children that weren't spanked. >> pearl is a minister of the gospel, a devout christian. he and his wife are best-selling authors that have written many religiously themed books. but their most popular and most controversial is a book called "to train up a children," in which they write about the need to inflict physical pain. >> i don't use the term hitting. >> what's the word? >> spanking. >> is there a difference

kevin and elizabeth schatz are serving prison sentences.kept a controversial parenting book in their home, a book that says good wants parents to spank their children with rods and switches and rubber tubing. the couple who wrote the book say they're not to blame for the schatzs it did. the district attorney sees it differently. once again, here's gary tuchman. >> michael pearl is a competitive knife and tomahawk thrower. he never misses the target. but it's just a hobby. his life's work is preaching. he targets what some might call extreme discipline of children. >> i've never met any well-trained emotionally secure, happy, creative children that weren't spanked. >> pearl is a minister of the gospel, a devout christian. he and his wife are best-selling authors that have written many religiously themed books. but their most popular and most controversial is a book called "to train up a children," in which they write about the need to inflict physical pain. >> i don't use the term hitting. >> what's the word? >> spanking. >> is there a diffe

kevin and elizabeth schatz are serving prison sentences.y kept a controversial parenting book in their home, a book that says good wants parents to spank their children with rods and switches and rubber tubing. the couple who wrote the book say they're not to blame for the schatzs it did. the district attorney sees it differently. once again, here's gary tuchman. >> michael pearl is a competitive knife and tomahawk thrower. he never misses the target. but it's just a hobby. his life's work is preaching. he targets what some might call extreme discipline of children. >> i've never met any well-trained emotionally secure, happy, creative children that weren't spanked. >> pearl is a minister of the gospel, a devout christian. he and his wife are best-selling authors that have written many religiously themed books. but their most popular and most controversial is a book called "to train up a children," in which they write about the need to inflict physical pain. >> i don't use the term hitting. >> what's the word? >> spanking. >> is there a dif

they're actually warren schatz's nephew. and he had abused them, great and them from the time they were between the ages of five and seven years old. and that experience to me was what really turned the tide for me. that was the experience that kind of lit a fire under me. i thought commando, somebody has got to do something. the word has to get about it. that was a lot of my motivation for doing this book and for pursuing it with such vigor, is just get the word out so people know there is something of this horrible caliber that's going on in our country. >> sam brower come is there an issue of freedom of religion here? >> you know, the freedom of religion issue is an issue only with the fo ds. in reality, the freedom of religion is their wild-card. what they do has nothing to do with religion. i mean, unless -- it's okay for religions to molest children. unless it is okay for a profit to take a little 12-year-old girl by the hand and take her into a temple and performed a ritualistic on her. in my mind, that is not religio

bill: and a little more evident, too, tom schatz, thank you, citizens against waste. we appreciate you sharing, we'll talk again. >> thank you bill. bill: go to foxnews.com/america's news room. there's a bya box. leave a question for tom or anything else you want to talk about, how the government is spending your money, also, twitter, bill hemmer, because you asked, bya. we're lined up to take your question. martha: there's new fallout in the whole green jobs debacle that cost american taxpayers half a billion dollars. republican lawmakers say they are not going to let this one go, not yet, anyway. bill: also, she could go free or spend the rest of her life in prison. the appeals case of american co-ed amanda knox in the final strefpl. we're live to find out her fate. martha: all right, you need not be afraid if you want to look at the dow right now, it's up 95 points, it was up a hundred a moment ago, a little bounceback. we rough sledding last week, so we're seeing buying in the market, some encouragement on the eurotpwhafrpbg terms of debt and corporate news as wel