. >> does it make you feel better or worse that charles schaub says we can cover with liquidity. if every deposit walked out the door, they would be okay? >> maybe for another institution, no, it would be the opposite effect. we saw that with silicon valley bank, when everything was absolutely fine there. sarah did that interview with the schaub ceo, which i thought was excellent, he did a very good job of calming everyone down. i think him putting up real money to 2,000 shares. i think they're doing a better job and that customer base, i think, loves schaub and feels comfortable there. but in general, when a bank ceo says that, that's -- not good. >> we -- we compare, though, jp morgan, we don't compare them, but the money center banks are selling off. and we go back to different periods where we thought there was a credit moment happening. dan's right, whether it's happening or not. you sell banks first and they derate and that's what's going on here. and the fact that the kre and regionals closed at fresh lows through where we were is troubling, but doesn't have to necessarily