schenkel so while there is much rhetoric i don't think there's that much action the sorts of sanctions we're seeing a personalized as was the case in russia and elsewhere identifying individuals so i think you know it be a lovely world we live it where every country in the world took action over human rights abuses but let's be honest we know that governments states take action in accordance with their own interests and it gets it could the european union in particular germany have got quite serious economic interests in sending links with belarus so i'm just curious that the same sandy americans want to use this as part of the cold war against russia but also as another means of disciplining germany within the western count her appearance was opposed obviously by by minsk itself also by venezuela which found itself in a similar divided position last year permanent security council members russia china as well do you think the u.n. was right to give her a platform given the circumstances. well i think there's nothing wrong with giving anyone a platform and not in that sense but i think

country has changed what keeps me very much in this situation and you probably know it too if look at schenkel collapses now the whole system would collapse and belarus would follow and everything would be put back years well maybe someone would have lent a hand but now it would be very hard and these guys from police special units and others those who are with me they would be blamed and they would be assaulted and torn apart plus a snapshot of where the sable mexico city correspondent would go as d. of who is currently in minsk examines look ascension interview in more detail on the latest developments in belarus as well. they went to audit legs a number of prominent russian journalist including artie's editor in chief margarita simonyan who were allowed to pitch the embattled russian president alex are the new shake up various questions and they went on ad meg's about manner of topics including the internal politics in belarus you know the protests that have been going all the the rage and the you know what predictability surrounding the political crisis gripping bellaver said he also talke

been talking about a necessary change in the rules whatever this change might be however look at schenkel status quo could be changed on the other hand putin himself initiated a constitutional reform in russia only a few months ago which secured he's power here until 2036 a change in the constitution of belarus doesn't necessarily mean that we could stay in power as long as what it means is that from now on the kremlin strategists will probably be able to work hand in hand with the political advisers in belarus especially on the future political model for the country so make calmly how important is russian support for president. it's vital. to. tried to keep a hold position between the west and russia essentially trading to russia for financial support from the kremlin every time the kremlin that support he made overtures to the west trying to get more support from vladimir putin's kremlin most of the time successfully now that option is gone the west is not going to give him any kind of support given the brutality we've seen on the streets of minsk in recent weeks and so now basically he

president look at schenkel has exercised towards peaceful protesters is completely on except to mention people are being arrested and mistreated and that's why we are going to be discussing today whether the e.u. should impose sanctions not only on those that were involved in the fraudulent elections and then mistreatment but we should also see if mr lucas who himself the passion responsible for all of this should be the subject of sanctions by the european union. morse. that was the german foreign minister now protesters in bellerose are conceding nothing to the intensive government crackdown tens of thousands gathered in major cities throughout the country on sunday police and the military have been out in force detaining peaceful demonstrators who are calling for the go to step down after disputed elections. the streets of minsk turned into a sea of red and white flags the symbol of the opposition tens of thousands joined the march of justice in the capital and other cities it's the 6th straight sunday of protests. but what looks like a high turnout was actually significantly lower t

it's been just over a month since i'll xander lucas schenkel the man who's been president of belittles for 26 years claimed victory in the country's presidential election it's been just over a month since the biggest demonstrations in the luce's history swept from the capital in minsk all across the country and have persisted in spite of disproportionate state violence. the engine driving belew says protests can be found online on the messaging app called telegram the most popular account nektar has 2000000 subscribers in a country of 1400000 people but telegram hasn't been the only media arena in which belushi in politics is playing out once loyal state television employees have been resigning and joining the protests filling in for them are journalists from russia invited by look for himself. this is a story of a generation of making clear they want more from their government and their media and facing off against a president who has moscow to fall back on a starting point this week is minutes. seems would not have been surprised when in his 1st interview after one of the most tumult

russian anjelica schenkel peaceful uprising so the definitely she is in the focus of attention of the regime as you said she's a reading figure what reaction do you think that we might see from this protest movement could we see more so huge demonstrations for example this weekend. well it seems that this movement that's been going on now for nearly and months. is not subsiding people are angry people do want change people do want alexander lukashenko to leave and i think that the the russian regime sees it as a potential danger because probably they thought things are going to peter out in a couple weeks. cliff because definitely they are important and i think that she was that the dead there that minsk that the regime in minsk to try to keep her out to ukraine is very very probably become crude but it's very probable if you look at what happened to sudan that's the kind of get the idea behind it as far as i understand be to make the protests completely leaderless to make it face this in terms of public figures and to do that without leaders without ordinator and this will end i supp

and the russian support has been crucial for new schenkel for the political strongman like him these are very uncertain times when he declared himself the victors of the presidential elections held on august 9th making it his 6th straight to be. mass protests erupted across millions. in response to sent out security forces to literally beat the protesters down there were cameras everywhere filming the violence and so. turned off the biliteral scene internet there was a lot of police brutality. there were there were water cannons and tear gas and so want so whatever it is wanted to limit information from spreading and they did it they switched off the internet but after 3 days when the internet was back and the majority of the population learned what happened during the 3 days the protest reasons new and there were even more people women protesting workers went on strike which was that way very scary for the purchase so that the power of information sort of just understanding. it's all in the i mean it's really it's online well you can't talk about the media and. and if you look at th

russian anjelica schenkel peaceful uprising so the definitely she is in the focus of attention of ideal russian regime as you said she's a leading figure what reaction do you think that we might see from this protest movement could we see more sewage demonstrations for example this weekend. well it seems that this movement that's been going on now for nearly and months. is not subsiding people are angry people do want chinese people do want alexander lukashenko to leave and i think that the don't russian regime sees it as a potential danger because probably they thought things are going to peter out in a couple weeks is so to speak of is definitely very important and i think that she was that the dead that minsk that the regime in wants to try to kick around to ukraine is very very probably come through it but this very problem if you look at what happened to saddam let's see how let's get the idea behind it as far as i understand be to make the protests completely leaderless to make it faceless in terms of public figures and do that without leaders without ordinator and this will end i

was used some were saying that the kremlin could use this meeting to even topple alexander look as schenkelor use the current weakness of the bell russian president to reach its own goals in belarus however and contrast to that president vladimir putin made it clear when he was speaking just ahead of the meeting that moscow does not accept any outside interference especially from the west. we want to build the russians to handle their situation without any external assistance or pressure and co manner through dialogue with each other and come to a joint decision on how to move forward despite this we did hear from the bellary. russian leader that he does want to bring this issue to an international level but only if it comes to moving on to some of the integration blocks which bell routes as part of for example the eurasian customs union or the so-called agreement on collective security these are some of the blogs that are made part of post soviet republics a bit to move with we will talk about what's happening in belarus and meetings of the aeration economic community and collective securi

indeed for a long as venezuela and going to do and will do or has money he can keep going and lugar schenkel will then look at the door and say well he's still in power he's got the money he can get international loans china russia and other countries i've known him a lot of money russia now known me money i can pay the security services and the military and there's no reason why they should change their rights well that's a situation will be closely following indeed martin thank you very much martin mccauley author and russia analyst live on the program. again. he's been called out for frequently making gaffes on the campaign trail and night joe biden's confuse their run iraq when talking to veterans about where they had fought and battle. u.s. troops die in a room in afghanistan. parliament iran's parliament voted to reject all americans and coalition forces from the country we tried to do in iraq is not working so now we're going to try to meet in iran and scuse me we tried to ukraine i mean you know someone who has been injured or lost to america right. now let me tell you something. we.

she said lucas schenkel no longer has a mandate to govern on say you and only fair and free elections can now set the path for belarus's future. more news now from around the world palestinian leaders have failed to persuade the arab league to condemn the normalization of ties between israel and the united arab emirates palestinians fear the accord will weaken their long held position that israel must accept palestinian statehood and withdraw from occupied territory the crypt of the notre dame cathedral in paris has reopened to the public nearly a year and a half after a massive blaze gutted the landmarks interior the crypt offers an exhibition dedicated to writer victor hugo and an architect to lead a 19th century restoration of the cathedral. a new exhibition featuring the anonymous street artist banksy has opened in rome it showcases more than 90 of his provocative works including paintings sculptures and prints the exhibition titled a visual protest runs on told next april. let's return to that story in beirut now where fire has broken out at the port just weeks after that devasta

meeting with alexander lukashenko in sorts you claimed it showed moscow's clear support for the lucas schenkel administration but the russian president warned against any external pressure on meant instead call for a dialogue between the government and the opposition. we want the belorussians to handle their situation without any external assistance or pressure in a calm manner through dialogue with each other and come to a joint decision on how to move for work you know that it was a meeting between good question and putting your monday yesterday and it seems from these meeting that dad should pull through 2 rows. continue. or we've been getting some reaction to develop mince geopolitical expert p.r. a manual to man believes by imposing sanctions europe is seeking to look concerned about the belarus situation. we are 2 ways of seeing the sanctions 1st of all sanctions. a source or a wait for e.u. to do something or of all member states are not in line we've this short approach against bear arissa because the they don't want to it to. worse to worsen the crisis to russia and also sanctions usi

marching against brother the security services the military much of the government are indeed in blue schenkel side he doesn't do it a lot of support but the middle class for example the progressives the id workers the service industry the young they certainly aren't on those side again we see protests of almost 100000 people marching against. on sundays now a traditional day of protests and he talked about potentially leaving his post about potentially giving up you know he's nickname of europe's last dictator but he said he was like poroshenko for example ukraine's former president he had billions stashed away and switch. bank accounts then he could have left but that he doesn't. that says sort of it was the other side of it we've seen these mass protests months arrest what's the reality now in belarus. well it's all very well as you say listening to listening to alexander lukashenko amuse about the protests and who's fired answering them but the fact is that it is better russians in the 10s of thousands who are out in the streets every week who prove testing risking their lives their liveli

partners then like you said kevin the attitude really changed in august and in august we heard mr lucas schenkel call vladimir putin his elder brother and any case to the eaters have been on the phone during the crisis very often i do have to say though that most likely the bell russian president wouldn't like to see him like someone who is heading to russia trying to bag. for help so a little earlier he said that his goal for this visit was to cement agreements that were reached earlier but to this i would like to maintain the momentum very good agreements were made during the visit of prime minister michoud to belittle we are working on developing them. well he doesn't want to be seen coming or just say with begging bowl in hand what's better rusco to bring to the much bigger neighbor russia what kind of partnerships are going to be while kevin. used to go without saying that minsk is a top ally for russia after the fall of the soviet union agreements were forming a so-called union state now that was to follow in the footsteps of the european union and the integration there between the countri

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crackdown these demonstrations haven't been crushed but they have so far failed to push look as schenkel out leaving bella roost in crisis and at an impasse. earlier we asked connelly who's in minsk if he sees an end to the protests in belarus any time soon every time that these protests seem to be reducing in size then the better since come and surprise us every time the police comes in and makes mass arrests it seems like the next week there are more people out on the streets i think he's a little chink oh has no idea what this is going off 26 years in power and his 6 after that and over a show last week that secret inauguration in which. he didn't even have any russian guests little international guess that event i think. the regime does have some stability reserves or civility the security services are still open but you know this massive police presence is costing them huge amounts of money choice those people and the protesters show no real sign of being intimidated by anything the government for now when you talk and they say we we we're tired of being afraid we are not going to g

data from germany on the findings meanwhile the president of bella ruse has weighed in 100 lukas schenkel claims that his security forces intercepted a call which counts died on berlin's poisoning allegation. because. we have intercepted a call as we understand between warsaw and berlin that clearly sounds it's all a full sophistication and the name didn't take place. they have done it to discourage putin from interfering in the internal affairs of belarus. or within the past hour the german government has responded to mr lucas shinku his version of events saying that it is not true on the kremlin sees it has no details on the in president's clean our europe correspondent peter all over though has more on the international fallout from the alleged poisoning of alexy a felony. well i'm the merkel speaking hearing on alexina valmy and saying how germany would respond to russia depended on russia right now and how it responds to those allegations that came out on wednesday as it stands moscow is far from happy with at the moment in the way that that announcement on wednesday was made what we

men in the center of minsk maria was one of 3 women who joined forces to challenge alexander the schenkel in last month's disputed elections and a german hospital treating kremlin critic says his condition has improved a lot and doctors to take him out of any cobra german experts say tests show that he was poisoned with the nerve agent. economists estimate the latin america is at risk of losing up to 45000000 jobs due to the ongoing global pandemic ecuador has been one of the hardest hit economies in the region with more than a 1000000 people in need of work and 5000000 other is fighting to keep unstable jobs that's a staggering 85 percent of the country's workers as are latin american editor lucien human now reports. 3 years ago dorrans have been struggling to keep their heads above water in a troubled economy 8 months ago only 4 out of 10 people had full employment. now with the pandemic the job market has collapsed. susannah bias takes is a which she calls a depressing trip down memory lane this is where she used to run a modest but successful cathay with 4 employees. this was a bustli

actually said look at shangri that he has to buy more gas and i guess in the oil what to look at schenkel we heard. be speaking he was sort of downplaying it that brought this on one hand in belarus saying that they're happening over the weekend that it's so hard no one crossed a red line and that belarus is living its ordinary life from monday to friday but at the same time he said there is an outside influence trying to incite violence in belarus and then he tried that with violence in the case that happens ok alexandra thank you very much well the u.n. high commissioner for human rights is now calling for an investigation into the police crackdown in belarus re stablish and social peace in the roof requires far reaching dialogue reforms and accountability for great human rights violations i encourage the council to focus and action on this we areas to prevent further escalation of violence grievances given the scale and number or allegations of torture on other forms of treatment by the security forces should be documented and investigated with a view to bringing the perpetrators to ju

russian anjelica schenkel peaceful uprising so the definitely she is in the focus of attention of the regime as you said she's a leading figure what reaction do you think that we might see from this protest movement could we see more demonstrations for example this weekend. well it seems that this movement that's been going on now for nearly and months. is not subsiding people are angry people do want chinese people do want alexander lukashenko to leave and i think that the don't russian regime sees it as a potential danger because probably they thought things are going to peter out in a couple weeks as so cliff because it's definitely very important and i think that she was that the did that minsk the division indians to try to keep her out to ukraine is very very probably become crude but it's very probable if you look at what happened to saddam let's see how let's get the idea behind it as far as i understand ruby to make the protests completely leaderless to make it faceless in terms of public figures and that without leaders without ordinator is that this will end i suppose that

been talking about a necessary change in the rules whatever this change might be however look at schenkelstatus quo could be changed on the other hand putin himself initiated a constitutional reform in russia only a few months ago which security's power here until 20 or 36 change in the constitution of the it was doesn't necessarily mean that the question could stay in power as long as what it means is that from now on the kremlin strategists will probably be able to work hand in hand with the political advisers in belarus especially on the future political model for the country so make calmly how important is russian support for president. he has nowhere else to go. tried to keep hold of position between the west and russia essentially trading to russia for financial support from the kremlin every time the kremlin on that support he made overtures to the west trying to get more support from vladimir putin's kremlin for most of the time successfully now that option is gone the west is not going to give him any kind of support given the brutality we've seen on the streets of minsk in recen

heard on the beginning of this talks what one would have expected for from this visit where will the schenkel comes with a personal thing no negotiations options left grateful for the support and that is given to him from russian president vladimir putin. storage good for live from moscow thank you for not. well tens of thousands of belorussians have been protesting for weeks now on sunday and the other 800 people were detained during those protests in minsk the u.n. high commissioner for human rights is now calling for an investigation into the police crackdown restamp mission social peace in the rules requires far reaching dialogue reforms and accountability for great human rights violations i encourage the council to focus and action on this we areas to prevent further escalation of violence grievances given the scale and number all allegations of torture on other forms of treatment by this beautiful should be documented an investigator with a view to bringing the perpetrators to justice. i'm joined now by nigel gold davis from london he's a former british ambassador to belarus under senio

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crackdown these demonstrations haven't been crushed but they have so far failed to push look as schenkel out leaving bella roost in crisis and at an impasse. earlier we asked his nick connelly in minsk if he sees an end to the protests in belarus any time soon. every time that these protests seem to be reducing in size then the belorussians come and surprise us every time the police comes in and makes mass arrests it seems like the next week there are more people out on the streets i think he. has no idea what this is going off 26 years in power and he says that immigration last week the secret inauguration in which he didn't even have any russian gas level international guess that event i think for now it seems that the regime does have some stability reserves or stability the security services are still open now but you know with these massive police presence it's costing them huge amounts of money trying to keep those people and other hand the protest to show no real sign of being intimidated by anything the government could throw them in for now when you talked and they say we we wer

putin has never been an easy one it was a complex relationship of love and hate to where look at schenkel was before these elections and before he started having so such a big problems in his own country he was sort of trying to play an upper hand sometimes winning it sometimes losing it so because he got this so much needed support from russia and from its president vladimir putin it is clearly who has the upper hand is this these negotiations now and he got support of russia as one of the few countries that recognize him as the winner of the disputed elections and russia is clearly stating that yes he is the president and this is the and that they are that is internal matter of what is happening in belarus and that it is not the oppositional council members the ones that sure anyone talk to actually there saying that there is countries meddling in this elections and warning everybody off from that present what it even said that there is a reserve unit prepared if things get really out of control reserve unit here in russia that will be sent as a help to belorussia if needed if certain a

figure she is very active on social media she is one of the faces of this be a russian anjelica schenkel peaceful uprising so the definitely she is in the focus of attention of ideal russian regime as you said she's a leading figure what reaction do you think that we might see from this protest movement could we see more see huge demonstrations for example this weekend.