so they were using schip to expand because they wanted to have a single-payer plan. and that is what was going on with the strategy in trying to establish the single-payer plan. we fought some of that back. and nancy pelosi was elected as speaker of the house and what does she bring to us, an schip plan at 200% of poverty, in my state, $52,000, to turn it up to $400% of poverty. and that would have -- and it passed the house at the insistence of the speaker and i was the only member to oppose it, would have gone to $400% of poverty. a family of four, 103,000. and while that was going on, the people that had to pay the rich man's tax, the alternative minimum tax, 70,000 families in america that would be paying the rich man's tax, the alternative minimum tax, 70,000 families, paying the alternative minimum tax that would still be eligible for the schip funding for their children. you see where this goes? subsidy at the means side of this where lower income people are multiplied from 100% to 200% to 300% and we ratchet down to 300% and fund illegals in the market, but s

voting against schip. now that he is a democrat, i thank you for your votes.amilies need someone who is willing to lose their job over what is right. they need to put out their plan, . there is no -- >> congressman, that is your time. senator? >> how he can complain about my book on the stimulus -- without my vote or leadership, we would not have had the billions of dollars that we received in pennsylvania, that has paid for unemployment compensation, medicaid, highway construction. the balance of this time -- let me tell you about a conversation i had with senator barack obama. he approached me on the senate floor before the 2008 election and said, i would like your political advice. i said, you name it. i could call him iraq in those days. his office was right down the corridor. -- i could call him barack during those days. there is a small town east of wichita. you were going and raised there. the information i want is, if a jewish kid from kansas can carry pennsylvania, how can a black kid from kansas carry pennsylvania? i give him some advice and he is no

and so those services could include health services that could be paid for through the schip program. they could include social services. they could include after-school services. they could include in a high school services for parents. ell services. job development services. in order to start really bringing parents into the school. having a school open 20 hours a day, 18 hours a day so that the school is really the center of community. so some of these services, you know, let's say -- say you had 100 extra dollars, a school would then decide which service they could buy with $100. and maybe they couldn't buy all of it, but they would buy what was most necessary. >> okay. i have a question for you, mr. winters. what is an effective evaluation program. >> an example of one or what would one look like?3l >> what would one look like? i mean, i'm part of the experimental -- i think there's a lot of things we need to try. i think that -- i don't think the test scores alone, if that's where we're going -- i don't think the test scores alone are the way to go.cj7 i think the test scores ar

voting against schip. now that he is a democrat unthinking him for his votes.orking families need someone down there willing to use either job. they put up a plan. there is no record except for the republican record for arlen specter. >> that is your time. senator? >> how can congressman sestak complain about my vote? we would not have had $16 billion to pennsylvania that is paid for unemployment compensation, medicaid, for highway construction. let me tell you about a conversation i had with senator barack obama. it was on the senate floor before the 2008 election. he asked for advice. i could call him barack in those days. he said you and i both have kansas connections. my mother lived in a small town 40 miles east of wichitayo ofu were born and raised in the kansas near wichita. arlen, the political advice to one from you is if a jewish kid from kansas can carry pennsylvania, how can a black kid from kansas carry pennsylvania? so i gave him the advice. now he is president of the united states. i do not mean to suggest there is any connection between the advi

voting against schip. when working families need is somebody willing to lose their job, knowing what is right. there is no record as of the republican record. teham>> how he can claim about y vote on stimulus, we would not have had $16 billion to pennsylvania. it is paying for unemployment, medicare. in the balance of this time, we will be telling you about a conversation i had. barack had his office down the corridor. he said, you and i both have kansas connections. my mother lived in a small town east of wichita. we were born and raised in wichita. if a jewish kid from kansas, how can a black kid from kansas go to pennsylvania? onow he is president of the united states. i do not mean to suggest there's a connection between the advice i gave him and that he is president, but that is a true story. it is that relationship that led him to call me, and i did not talk to him -- call me and said, i am glad you did >> i am going to try to help out by asking you both this. on issues that traditionally are importa