illiza schlessinger. did i say it right? >> no. >> rupaul: schlessinger?, "rupaul's drag race," the names of your drag s schlessinger. >> rupaul: i cannot say the word, i may say it word, massachusetts. did i say that right? massachusetts? >> audience? [ laughter ] >> rupaul: did i? >> you know what kills me? the world can say schwarzenegger. but schlessinger, there's a stop there. >> rupaul: for americans it's the syllables, it's the anti-semitism, let be honest. [ laughter ] [ applause ] that's what it really is. and that's why we just go by illiza. >> rupaul: that's right, that's right. now, you just mentioned that you are a fan of our show, that you know some of our queens. >> yes. >> rupaul: which of the queens that you hang with? >> oh, i wouldn't even say hang with. i've done bianca del rio's podcast. your show's been on 12 years? >> rupaul: 1,200 years, yes. [ laughter ] >> i can remember past relationships by who i was dating for what season. my husband, i've been with him five years, he is such a sweetheart. i've asked him to watch it with me. by

people like arthur schlessinger and others -- because of the spread of democracy. you have this nation of progress sort of a historical process that inevitably leads to better and better things. it's okay that they were taking the franchise away from the black people. as historians there's nothing that's inevitable and there is no end to what we are working towards people could say yeah but we still have to deal with, you can't think about what happens afterwards. you have to think about what's happening during that particular moment and would we think about people who couldn't vote now -- couldn't vote before and now can vote and how do we feel about what they were doing at that particulart time? it makes sense but b who knows? certainly jefferson, jefferson's fortune has fallen over the years and now it's in the trough. but it's not likely that he's goinghe to stay there. these things come and go and different generations are interested in different things. >> host: eight different criteria and areas and by the way it's all available on c-span.org but we do it ev

great story to bring alive that issue and the other one is a fabulous story and actually arthur's schlessinger told me a few details at lunch one day in 2005 and i wrote it in a journal and i think i wasn't ready for it yet and i think i am now and it's a fabulous story. it came up in a conversation and he said you might want to pursue this. sometimes we have to develop our skills to a particular level before we are ready to see the greatness of a story and sometimes able to pursue it. i think i will probably go the story route. arthur passed away but sending the clone out to do a little work on that soon. searching for the narrative, the story will surface which my editor kept telling me what happened with the story i was fascinated by the story and had to follow it. before i wrap this up, do you have any final thoughts before i close the shop? >> no, i think you've done a very fine job. it was a fantastic conversation. we thank you for coming in from scotland. we are going to make him do it again next week. the program is 5:30. volley who is going to tell us about what he did we can intervie

arthur schlessinger jr. who wrote the papers of thomas jefferson and i knew him from that and the other editor had been the editor of the book i did with vernon jordan. both of them i knew and liked and it was only 4000 words and i said sure. it's not something i would ever had out of the blue thought of doing. looking into itt i realized even though johnson is not a terribly pleasant person which could be a partisan situation but the guys is if you want to spen time with someone and writing about them. he was present during a pivotal moment and he made fateful decisions that put in place other fateful decisions. he is not attractive as a man and as a character but the role that heth played as president is pivotal in people should know about him because of that. >> host: the only southern senator not to leave the senate. >> host: exactly and that's why lincoln traded in his original bases because it was h symbolic. link and wanted to send a message see, we can get back together. s i can have this southern pe