but maybe we'll start with mayor schmoke. when you were serving mayor of a large city, what were the tensions in federalism? how did you manage to to, you know, keep from from state use stations and federal. well, let's let me just note that i served under several different presidents. it's my that i served 12 unindicted years as mayor of bravo. the i came into office under president reagan and then president bush and then clinton and it what i tried to do and it was to encourage the notion that we were partners in addressing the problems of citizens that sometimes those from the federal government wanted to micromanage the cities. they would see programs and assume that there was a cookie cutter model that should apply to every local and you had to squeeze your city into the model that they set forth the other hand there is other elected at the federal level that say, let's all look at a target or a goal and you can the strategy towards that goal. so can imagine which philosophy i thought was the best. and that's why i said