home school, charter school, private school then public school. so this opportunity, fought very hard to win this because their challenge now, they are forced to have to maneuver. it is almost like negotiation. i hate to say it but the pressure is real. you kind of want that going in as opposed to reaching an and forcing them. let the families show them and then they will follow. >> i would say, i am of the believe that we raise money for education so the child can be educated. we don't raise money for schools. it would be crazy of every scholarship went to a particular school. i think the way the public schools respond to choices interesting. and arizona, my former colleague found data. foruse open enrollment charter schools and other things, the county of maricopa, about half of the students are theg to a school other than zone for their school. you kind of the hollywood of arizona, scottsdale. they are not actively recruiting kids. that is a complete mind shift. there and say,ut come to us. don't go to that charter or private school. i think it

i'd say now that this school here, this marjory stoneman douglas school, this school here in the center of the screen, you can see the saw grass express way. people on the highway there looking over. we saw a couple people with binoculars looking from there. also some police officers up there keeping an eye on the southern perimeter of the school here. the shooting taking place, a mass casualty incident where over 20 people were injured. we counted one at first and then we've seen several more. we're getting indications there may still be a few people injured and treated in the building. we're trying to get more information there. you can see we have personnel coming out of that and they're loading up on the back of this pickup truck here. those are swat members and other folks there. so as we joef use that expression and very active scene here, we're going off mic and try to get you more information. >> ralph, before you go, can i ask a quick question? you may have amplified this earlier. authorities think they identified where the room where this started. that's to suggest that this e

high school in california. 2001, red lion junior high school. 2003, rocori high school in minnesota. 2005, red lake high school in minnesota. 2005, tennessee. 2006, essex elementary school in vermont. 2006, weston high school in wisconsin. 2006, west nickel mines school in pennsylvania. 2011, millard high school in nebraska. 2012, a high school in ohio. 2012, sandy creek elementary school in connecticut where 26 elementary school students and others were killed. in 2013, sparks middle school in nevada. 2013, arapaho high school in arapaho colorado. 2014, reynolds high school in oregon. 2014, marysville high school in washington. in 2016, independent high school in arizona. in 2016, townsville elementary school in north carolina. in 2017, north park elementary school in california. in 2017, freeman high school in washington. in 2018, marshall county high school. three weeks ago in kentucky. and today, marjory stoneman douglas high school in broward county, florida, in the town of parkland where many students and teachers and administrators have died today. we do not yet know how many.

school, high school, college, they grow up. as they are growing up, we want to have as much confidence in them as we can. we all say we teach them safety, we teach them firearm safety, we teach them vehicle safety. we teach them to do things the right way. many of these incidents occur with children whose parents would describe their life just the same way. that they never thought their child would do that. they went hunting, they went target shooting with their guns. they knew gun safety. they believed in that. but what they fail to understand is if the children are not fully developed, their minds at these pa ages, 14, 15, 17 even, they're not fully developed, they don't have the judgment and what happens is they can act on impulse. they can be bullied or something. then if that firearm is accessible to them, they might act on it. if you get everybody in your school, if all the parents would secure their guns, exponentially your school would be safer. i'm just sad to see these things happen. it will be interesting to see wher

but as i said before, this was the only high school. 3000 students coming to this high school.igh school in parkland in the city. it is 1.5 hours north of miami. stay with us, patricia, we wa nt to miami. stay with us, patricia, we want to talk more as this story unfolds. we willjust see now from one of the police officers co—ordinating all of this, the browa rd county co—ordinating all of this, the broward county sheriff, scott israel. he was bringing everyone up—to—date. israel. he was bringing everyone up-to-date. i want to say this is a catastrophic, unbelievably catastrophic, unbelievably catastrophic day in broward county history. it is devastating. i am sick to my stomach. we have multiple casualties. we have had approximately 1a people transported to area hospitals with varying degrees of injuries. there are multiple casualties, people who have lost their lives. i do not know the number right now. it is a fluid scene with multiple swat teams clearing the buildings. a shooter was taken into custody about an hour ago. he committed a horrible homicidal detestable act. the

stuck in an unsafe school or a fiscally-mismanged school or in a school that undermines their values, they need an exit tool so that they will have of a choice in the school and the type of education that's provided to their children. and all these reasons have nothing to do directly anyway with test scores and academics. these are all about issues that involve, you know, values, culture, you know? all those things that, you know, we hear on some of our favorite radio shows, right? and yet that's what's happening in the classroom. and those are reason enough for parents to have that choice, you know? and to be able to leave a school that is undermining them as parents, that's undermining their values, that's undermining their children's future as thinking adults. so whether the choice is a charter school or an education savings account as nevada and arizona have implemented, a tax credit for private school tuition or some other type of school choice mechanism, parents have to have the ability to access the type of education that best suits the needs of whom? their own children. [appl

hook elementary school. that left a lot of questions unanswered. nikolaus cruz arrested and in police custody. police will hopefully get to the bottom of what sparked his rampage. social media lighting up across the country with support for the florida community. carly shimkus here with how lawmakers and celebrities are reacting next. >> horrifying footage spread online emerging as students were huddled in fear screaming for their lives during this deadly school shooting in florida, many of them taking to social media to document what is happening. carly shimkus with serious xm 115 is here with that and the support pouring in across the country. >> the shooting at douglas high school started at 2:30 eastern time as classes were about to be let out. students were forced to barricade themselves inside classrooms, hide under desks and inside closets. some turned to social media to show the horrifying reality of what was going on inside. freshman student aid in showed students hiding on the grounds. the caption,

schooling violence. this includes the development and operation of anonymous reporting systems like the safe utah app, as well as improvements to school security infrastructure to deter and respond to threats of school violence. when prevention efforts fall short, as the unfortunately will in some a cases, locks on classroom doors, reinforced entryways and other common sense infrastructure improvements will help limit the violence. third. the bill will provide funding for the development and operation of evidence-based school threat assessment and crisis intervention teams. which may include evidence-based training for school officials in responding to mental health crises. again, school personnel need the tools to assess and respond to threats before they materialize, including those threats that originate from individuals struggling with mental health issues. finally, the bill will provide fund for continued coordination with local law enforcement. law enforcement alone cannot prevent school violence,

at school. you heard interviews from a lot of students yesterday, former classmates said we were not surprised when we found out it was him. it begs the question how do you stop something like this if kids knew that this was the guy? rob: marianne rafferty's live with more on this story, an event police describe as pure evil. >> reporter: students are reliving the horrifying account of carnage in that high school in parkland, florida. classmates holding hands, running through the body hallways to escape the violence, not knowing which way to safety. [gunshots] >> oh my god! [screaming] rob: the end of the school day 15 minutes before students were to be let out but instead of yellow school buses, police cars and ambulances filling the parking lot. >> we all lined up one by one, walked out, had to run as far as we can. people were crying, a lot of blood everywhere, seeing blood. >> trying not to look but there was blood and gunpowder and bodies all over the place. we were stepping over puddles of

in 2011, milliard high school -- milliard south high school in nebraska. in 2012, char tan high school in ohio. in 2012 sandy creek elementary school in connecticut where 26 elementary school students and others were killed. in 2013, sparks middle school in nevada. in 2013, a rap pa hoe high school in a rap pa hoe, colora colorado. in 2014, reynolds high school in oregon. in 2014, merriesville high school in washington. in 2016, independent high school in arizona. in 2016, townville elementary school in north carolina. in 2017, north park elementary school in california. in 2017, free man high school in washington. in 2018, marshall county high school. just three weeks ago in kentuc kentucky. just and today marjorie stoneman douglas high school in broward county, florida in the town of park lapped where many students and teachers and administrators have died today. we do not yet know how many. >> the 25th fatal school shoo shooting since columbine high school in america. and coverage continues on wsvn now. >> that school again it's less than half a mile th

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th school has an alarm.h school is trained bysecurit the teacher should do. >> reporter: superintendent chitwood say constantly train for in school shooting situations like the cars are equipped with high powered weapons and blueprints to every school we go in to evey school unannounced and we do dr. >> very serious when it comes to drills for that. >> kayla moore's goes to local private school where they do drills to prepare. she's glad students, teachers and police practice foros. >> we always have to be pro paired for situations like this. you never know when it's going , my child. >> you must get the shooter. you mustust get the person who'n the schools attempting to hurt children. hool shootings go up each year, training intensifies but he is always the same for his officers. >> we just go the threat. these idiots should go in and godill these children. they deserve to be killed. pure and simple reporter: now te superintendent says after each and every drill, there is a review. if made, they make them.

by school? >> i think the larger aspect of school vie lebs is behavioral. that's the part that we are going to see more when the investigation unfolds. what i mean by that's, what didn't we know about this particular kid? behaviorally, school shooters are not sociopaths. they are look for a con flock it stop or hold somebody responsible for it. in this case it will be important for news law enforcement to look at what we did know. charles: they knew he was obsessed by guns. once you know these things, how do you monitor and prevent this. >> if you know he's a particular threat, you have to deal with it in the outer perimeter. it's a large campus. you have artificial intelligence and facial recognition. but is that going to stop sometime in we knew in a macro sense he had a problem. one thing about school shooters. they typically tell people what they are going to do before they do it. charles: we have bill daly on the phone, a former fbi investigator. these terror attacks on innocent victims, so

i mean, maybe the idea about there being after-school performances at some schools. i think that's great that that's available at some schools, but i do think we need to think this through a little bit more comprehensively, because we've hit a nerve here. clearly, we don't want to harm the programs that the students have really spoken really eloquently that are really impactful to them, but we need to think through the impact of students who wouldn't be able to attend performances or who would have to pay for performances. i think i'd be in favor of sending this fack back to comm one more time to think this through a little bit more and have a more reasoned decision on this to hear from all perspectives, get a little bit more data, and really decide what is our policy goal here. so my -- i'm with commissioner walton, i think we should table it. >> commissioner haney? >> well, the first thing i think we saw tonight exactly why we need to fully fund the arts in our school district. i think this should not be a situation where we are making anyone feel that by ensuring

schools.f you think about it it is an insane suggestion because what are you going to do in terms of -- for kindergarten teachers going to wear their guns on their hip? are you talking about just handguns versus and ar-15 that can shoot 90 rounds in a minute? what happens if people are rushing along in a hallway, what is a frightened teacher going to do? i could go through all of these unanswered questions and the more questions you go through, the more you realize what an insane idea it is. frankly, i was on the phone with about 60,000 teachers and other educators this week. as one ofthis idea the ideas the president said, and universally, including gun owners, people said no, this is crazy. then you saw what happened with the sheriff's deputy. the whole idea of the good guy with the gun was debunked by that guy being completely immobilized, a guy who had a gun right outside of the school. so for all these reasons, it is a terrible idea. you can -- host: you can watch the full newsmakersomorr

louis high schools, no problems. our school, one incident.t, that is what the papers are calling it. incident that would be the last or the first. the kids won't tell you, or can't. only one person really knows, and he is not talking. maybe he will listen. how are you, vincent? vincent? how are you? >♪ narrator: one angry boy can cause a lot of trouble. >> good morning. announcer: not even teachers know all the answers. and, special meetings aren't much help. and at least in st. louis, we did not walk into the segregation with our eyes closed. people in this town knew it was coming. our textbook committees met together and worked together. had been trained in similar teachers colleges taught similar courses. when they came together, they met as equals. teachers in st. louis, met in human relations withhops and come meetings their teachers associations, and other professional organizations. teachers.nd negro leagu all this, before the supreme court decision. students in st. louis were meeting on their own to find out if integration could work.

i was just in that school. i felt safe at that school every day i was there. >> word is is you knew the coach? >> i knew of him. he was a great guy and nice to me. showed his character what he did in that time of panic and emergency putting himself on the line before others. and obviously we want to focus on the victims rather than the suspect. >> he's not the only professional athlete to come from the high school. cubs first baseman anthony rizzo donated $150,000 for lights on the baseball and softball fields. in a tweet had said this is out of control and our country is in need for change. i hope this brings everyone together and we can find love. back to you. >> thank you for that. >>> meteorologist tammie souza is joining us now. can you believe it's 60 degrees out there. >> these are wild temperatures and then we have some rain? >> we have rain coming in tonight and some snow on saturday night. look at the clouds. they have thickened. you can tell they are the kind of clouds that hold moisture. 61 with our

be safe at school and that's fine this should be safe at school but we need to get serious about looking into this and the solution it's a more militarization of the high schools is the wrong approach i'll just flat out say that the the money that we're pouring into the military in this country occupation and invasions overseas we're now in eighty we've got eight hundred military bases around the world the military budget is going up as i mentioned earlier this is just the wrong approach is not making us more secure it's making us less secure take a fraction of that eighty billion dollar military increase and invest it in conflict resolution programs in schools in improving the improving the public television. there needs to be more criticism and that there is well there's too much promotion of violence in in the in the in the media so i think we need to look at the big picture here to find some solutions and really reverse the trend toward individuals who just lipo for whatever reason and take so many innocent lives as this happened here. rick i'm going to get a little bit political her

whether it was a fun high school freshman at the school or would he be fourteen fifteen years of age tweeting of there as the incident was on folding he tweeted that he was locked inside because some of the rooms had been locked to stop what seemed to be the gunman getting into different classrooms he said he was scared from the pictures other pictures on social media that had been shared from inside the school we can see he was doing with other kids other pupils were doing and teachers as well hiding under a desk as they had been told to do and was actually asking everyone to pray for the victim's families we believe that he is now. being taken out of the school he is not as safe as we think that most of the people is it is still an active shooting scene although the main suspect believed to be the sole suspect is now in custody. just the overall picture of things so how will the history of us school shootings look like this there have been two hundred seventy five instances twenty thirteen an average of nearly one week and there have already been two shooting incidents in schools i

he was expelled by the school. the school knew about him. he came back to the school and unfortunately that's why we have this tragedy. >> shannon: dan, we hear cases all the time of people who post inappropriate things or they get in trouble. they are not going to go load up a gun, take these magazines with them and try to wipe people out. there's no way law enforcement, taxed as it is, could track every case like this. >> you are right. it is difficult. there are some indicators. the secret service did a pretty exhaustive study with the national threat assessment center on targeted school violence. there were some takeaways from this that may be school administrators, it would set off some warning bells. who knows. maybe even a simple intervention and a sit down with the student can prevent them from that trigger moment we hope. some of the takeaways were this: a history of bullying. in some cases they know that some of the bullying was extreme. secondly most of the weapons used in these attacks came from the home. the lesson there is if y

senior high school. a kid got shot at school. in our school, on their safe passageway home, parks and recreation, extracurricular. our students have to be protected. our students have to be protected. one local legislator asked me, how do you find student? how would a criminal define student? you define them after you commit a crime against them. the students are crying. they are calling for a national standout day, april 20. in celebration of columbine because the same incidents keep happening, not just in schools, in our communities as well. to upstanding citizens, those were doing the right thing. we as parents are trying to fight to pass legislation just like you, locally. nationally, this campaign has grown and it's affecting all of us, all our kids. gun violence. gun violence. thank you. that's my story, and we're going to keep fighting and keep trying to pass legislation and they're going to keep fighting for our students. thurgood marshall here in the district of columbia and across america as we

school dumba kid is out of school in our schools on a safe passage way home there parks and recreation is extra curricular our students have to be protected our students have to be protected one local legislator asked me how do you define students how would a criminal defines to this he would you have defined them after you commit a crime against them the students are crying they calling for national stand out day april twentieth in celebration of columbine because the same is that this is keep happening not just in our schools in our communities as well to upstanding citizens to those those doing the right thing and we as parents yes we try to fight to pass legislation just like you locally but nationally this campaign has grown and it's affecting all of us all our kids is gun violence violence gun . so i thank you that's my story and we're going to keep fighting and we will keep trying to pass legislation and we will keep fighting for our students and thurgood marshall here in a district of columbia and across america as well. think it's. said . that he had a solution to the school s

kid gets shot at school. dunbar, kid gets shot at school. in our schools. on their safe passageway home. their parks and recreations. extra curricular. our students have to be protected. our students have to be protected. one local legislator asked me, how do you define students? how would a criminal define students? you would define them after you commit a crime against them. the students are crying, they're calling for a national standout day, april 20. in celebration of columbine. because the same incidents keep happening, not just in our schools, in our communities as well. to upstanding citizens. to those that are doing the right thing. and we as parents, yes, we try to fight to pass legislation just like you. locally. but nationally this campaign has grown. and it's affecting all of us. all our kids. gun violence. gun violence. so i thank you. that's my story. and we're going to keep fighting and we're going to keep trying to pass legislation and we're going to keep fighting for our students. thurgood marshall, here in the district of columbia, and ac

there is a series of school whether it is my daughter's school, which is miles from here or the school where her boyfriend went which is just a couple of blocks from here, but there is this connection between all of the students. many on the baseball teams, because they play on the travel leagues. so the students, whether they go to this school or the school down the road, they all know each other and communicate with each other. those avenues of communication are the ones that i was able to tap into today interestingly enough because my daughter happens to have a friend of some of the people who were involved in this horrific massacre. >> tucker: rick, thank you for that. i appreciate your perspective on that. >> always a pleasure, tucker. >> tucker: haylee shepherd, a student at marjory stoneman douglas where the shootingnt occurred, she was trapped in a classroom. the s.w.a.t. team struggled to get her out. thank you for coming on. what did you experience today? >> the last 20 minutes of class, there was a fire drill, but it's really weird right away, because we just had one this mo

her trademark as a school reformer, corporate school reformer and as a fighter for charter schools isto be a nonconformist but i don't follow the rules. i'm actually going to go against everything and yet every other page she said in order to be my schools yet to follow the rules. you must be obedient before anything else. so here she is a living example of disobedience when it serves her purposes but when it doesn't then everybody has to be obedient. i think that the telling, it gets back to the same thing we're talking about earlier, the people who are selling this school reform agenda is rests on three legs, one leg is destroy any collective voice of the teachers. whether you like the current union situation or not, the collective voice of teachers is necessary. but they want no collective voice of teachers, reduce education to a single metric, how you did on standardized tests. nobody is pushing the agenda would allow that lyon their own children and 30 take the public space and privatize it. so that's based on an idea is that education is a product like a laptop or refrigerator t

i don't know any of a school like this and sure there are elements like in a regular school but there is more freedom i like that about half i have the on the market. as we need to. do you know. downtown poland at the lutheran high school air specie a new academic year has begun this project school was founded by adventurous parents ten years ago they wanted an alternative for their children to the traditional german school that concept a more imaginative institution communicating not just knowledge but human values. catalina tire helped establish the p.c. . she is now its principal and is deeply committed to this revolutionary approach. and we have to rethink schooling maybe not completely but we need to for example take away the old system that's been in place for two hundred years and think about schooling from the students' perspective that's what makes a school good how do we encourage participation and what do students need to know how should we teach skills what abilities will the kids need in twenty or thirty years but the day when we look at schooling from the perspective of

the school where this happened is a 3,000-student school, it's a very large school. we just heard a real vote of confidence today in the school itself from that teacher there who went through this today in terms of the training they went through. there's no training that can get you ready for something like what happened today. madam mayor, thank you very much for joining us, i really appreciate you being with us today. >> thank you, rachel. >> can you tell us, first of all, right now, if there's anything you can give us in terms of an update in the investigation here? we did just have a law enforcement briefing confirming the horrific death toll of 17 dead. we've had some anecdotal reporting about some characteristics of the victims. we know that the alleged shooter in this case is in custody. can you give us any further update on the investigation and the status of that right now? >> i don't have any additional updates on the investigation. you just heard from broward sheriff israel, they've identified 12 of the victims, and they're notifying their families. in par

it's a massive school. as one of those students told you, they're going room by room to make sure there are no other potential shooters. police believe they have the lone gunman in custody but they are doing their due dell gentleman's -- diligence going through the school. parents are now allowed to pick up their children at a staging area. there are multiple reports now from local media, different news outlets reporting that they're interviewing students on the scene and they knew who the gunman was. >> we're getting new video now we want to show you. i believe this is coming from inside the school as the students tried to evacuate. >> go the auditorium! everybody get down! do you understand me? everybody down. >> former new york city police commissioner, ray kelly, one of the things i'm struck by, how calm people were able to remain as they evacuated. >> exactly. how orderly it is. again, that sort of says the mind-set of students these days. this is now a relatively common experience and it has to be on

>> every high school has police presence at the high school. there were officers on the school site at all times. >> reporter: do you know for certain how many or where? >> typically at least two cars of law enforcement individuals on our campuses, on daily basis. >> reporter: resource officers they're called? >> they're called school resource officers, that is correct. >> reporter: superintendent, was the shooter contained to that one building? do you know if he went into another building? >> i don't know the path or exactly how the shootings occurred. >> reporter: where were you when you got the phone call and your heart had to have dropped? >> so today has been a day of emom must mountain ans and valleys. i was leaving monarch high school where we were giving teacher of the year brand new keys to a toyota camry she won being teacher of the year in broward county. we were celebrating our teachers and our schools. i got in the car, i was driving back into the office, i start seeing communication and hear from staff we may have a tragedy. i lit

i have taught in public and private schools and schools overseas. i taught in a area overseas where guns are not for sale, where the murder rate was much higher than in the you night's states -- in the united states. owner.so a ar-15 when i was going up, we did not have this. back then, educators were given the power to teach in the classroom. they were given the power to have a say, because they are on the front lines with students -- they are tackling education with getstudents -- they would to know the students and the system over time. they have taken the power away from educators to do their jobs. people will show up with the intent to do harm and they see holes in the system and they come and do horrible things. it starts in the classroom and in the family. once these two systems started to break down, that is when things started to go down a slippery slope. host: how do you feel as a gun owner? would you feel comfortable carrying a gun to defend students? i am a gun enthusiast, and a nra member. i do not think it is the teacher's job to carry

i think that we need school atety resource officers entrances of schools.hink communities should make a decision about whether or not they should be armed. i have spent much time with my the civil rights movements who are very, very concerned about these officers in schools. about school safety officers, not uniformed police officers. let's talk about the training they need. need to see people and have that kind of sense of assurance that there will be someone in or around a school that is trained all throughout the country. that is number one. number two, as much as i hate all of the active shooter drillsg, just like fire and other drills, we need to do this. but we cannot actually do this in a vacuum. we cannot have the drills, which are important, without also making sure we have enough servicesor the support that children in america need today. whether it be guns counseling, social work, school nurses, we needealth support, to have all of that. just target and say that nicholas cruz needed mental health services. we cannot do it after the fact. but we t

schools in broward county. and it is unfortunate in our day and age but that has to be done. >> yeah. obviously, you can't confirm the reports that we've heard of at least 20 injured and the miami herald reporting that a fire chief has said there's one fatality, if not more. obviously, a horrible day in broward county. what kind of security can you tell us does this school have? >> the school has a single point of entry security and there is always a full resource officer, a police officer at the school. >> okay. what are you hearing from parents? is it mainly people worried about finding their students? their loved ones? >> they're worried about finding their students. if their student has been hurt, they're worried about which hospital they've been brought to. apparently the students who have been injured have been brought to various hospitals in the area and they want to see their children. as any parent can understand, they just want to hug them and make sure they're okay. >> all right. parkland mayor chris

safest school. it's just eye-opening. >> glor: and a suspect is taken into custody. >> we're going to do whatever we can to pull through this, and we will. this is the "cbs evening news" with jeff glor. >> glor: and this is our western edition. good evening. it began as an ordinary school day that was almost over when gunfire erupted this afternoon. the broward county sheriff now says that 17 were killed in parkland, florida, about 20 miles northwest of fort lauderdale, at marjory stoneman douglas high school, which is attended by about 3,000 students. a suspect was taken into custody. as you see here, a few miles from the scene this afternoon. we'll have much more on him in just a moment. we do have extensive coverage tonight, beginning with manuel bojorquez in parkland, florida. we do caution you-- some of the video you're about to see is graphic. manny. >> reporter: that's right, jeff. and a law enforcement source tells cbs news the gunman appears to have pulled the school's fire alarm to create

what do schools learn?n addition to a single armed guard, maybe it should be a team of no less than three that should be there. when we are talking about armed, we don't want to have those weapons, they have to be highly trained people come up are -- they still understand grand versus connor and the deadly force that we operate under, that are fit. "jdl art," it just doesn't look right. they can respond quicker. you would definitely need more than one armed security officer. someone highly trained with the mind-set to be able to defeat somebody like that. >> kennedy: and have fought someone before they are able to do maximum damage. john, thank you so much. >> you bet. the other thing is you have to be able to mitigate that but you aren't going to be able to prevent it in those cases just using that armed individual. >> kennedy: thanks again. buck, what is your take on school safety? >> buck: there were armed officers who are at the high school but this high school has almost 3,000 students and multiple bui

to go to school there. >> right. >> well, it is. it's a great school. it's a large school, over 3,000 students. the schools down here in florida, i don't know if you're familiar with our system are run by the county. it's a broward county school. it's a great school. i was just there this weekend. they were hosting a debate tournament and i was judging at the tournament this weekends. it's a very community oriented school, lots of clubs. audie verse types of clubs can, all diverse types of activities. it is a great place to go to school. >> mayor, it's great to have you on. thank you so much. god bless your town getting through this. christine of parkland, florida. sean hennry former fbi assistant director and jim cavanaugh former atf special agent and nbc news law enforcement analyst. thank you sean and jim. the pattern is so strong. tell us both of you about this pattern that tom costello talked about a few moments ago, the pattern of the shooter. >> tom's talking about a young guy, teenager early 20s. disenfranchised. somebody who has access to weapo

it was a large school. even if the deputy responded at the sound of the first gunfire which i'm guessing he probably did, this gunman was able to inflict a lot of carnage before he dropped his weapon and blended with students and got out of there. it is hard to imagine what more we could do. >> that's exactly it. as everybody else has mentioned over the last 12, 18 hours about this there are multiple things that need to be looked at on how these things are happening. what can we do as a nation to reduce or stop them? there is a lot of talk about the mental health issue. this gentleman was receiving counseling and things like that. on the atm form 4473 there are a series of question the gun purchaser has to fill out. one of them, 11f talks about have you been adjudicated mentally defective. has the court determined that you are mentally incompetent, that type of situation. if you are just receiving counseling or even if you suffer from depression or on medication it doesn't qualify. >> jon: it relies on the

schools. i want to take just a couple of minutes to mention two areas in particular that we are especially thankful for. for many families providing after school programming is essential, especially for working families, who without them, would have to pay for childcare. over 20,000 san francisco unified school district students are enrolled in after-school programs and they not only provide a safe place for students to be, but through the partnership with dcyf, we have collaborated to provide to assess and strengthen the quality of the programs. another area we are particularly excited about is the beacon expansion. they and the school district have partnered to provide beacon programs at nine of our schools. it's helped the district to better understand the community school strategy we see as a successful model in our own city and is showing success in cities all across the country. the district has been wanting to expand on this model and we wanted to for some time now and dcyf heard our ca

kids going to school. every day a kid is not in school is less money for the school district. to support that, the district has to have certain documentation in place. for the most part they do. there's a process that the district has, it's been refined over many years and it's working. there was an issue we identified in doing the attendance of it that involved substitute teachers ensuring that that attendance they recorded on pieces of paper were translated into the electronic attendance sips tom. that's where there was a breakdown. there were documentations that we had asked for to support attendance in the audit that was simply not available to us. it doesn't mean that the attendance was wrong it just means that the district couldn't support all of the attendance. it's a relatively small number of the over all total attendance for the school district. over all, the attend hans been work worked through the process and it's fine. it's a relatively small portion of the over all thing and it is also something that was identified about this time last year and things have been a

everybody loves their school, they felt the overall school system was failing. obviously, that's possible. >> there are schools that are failing. what do you think we should do for students? good model, though there is a less successful format statewide. if you have a school, you've got to be willing to step up and try to provide the tools for a massive change over. in some schools, the culture is so bad you need to close the school, clean it out, and reopen it. that in many cases has been proven successful. michael bennet was superintendent for three years and started that. this person has been -- that for a most years. you see the outcomes in the last decade. -- public schools have reduce their dropout rate by 70%. a lot of that is taking failing schools, getting them -- a failing school doesn't engage their kids. the kids can't wait to drop out. when you have a better system -- school system, you have a much lower dropout rate. >> these teachers, so many of them are buying supplies with their own money. governor 2 -- governor cooper was talking about how much

the school in florida was so large, such a big school. you would've had to have 150 guards to have that building properly managed. you have an armed camp whereas doing it like you are suggesting and many people in this room agree with, it costs almost nothing. i would give a bonus to them. they will go through a strenuous training, i would like to give them a bonus. let's say you gave them a $1,000 bonus for the year, 50 or 60 of them in the school. compare that to paying 40, 50, $60,000 each. where are the schools going to get that kind of money? somebody suggested we are going to harden the doors, make it impossible to get in. that's good except in one instance, if the killer gets in and closes the doors and you can't get into the school. they said never thought of that. don't forget, i was in the real estate business. when you harden the schools you are not going to get him but if they get in you are not going to get in, law enforcement is not getting in. somebody else said we have something we are working on. smoke fills into the scho

so why not the schools?ur hank flynn takes a closer look at the problem. >> can i get in this way? what now? >> all right. thank you. >> you want to see independence hall. welcome to philadelphia. but you will go through security. same thing at federal courthouse two blocks away. federal squad cars. the place is secure. you go to suburban station you'll see police a plenty. so why wouldn't schools where our kids go get the same level of attention? >> our priorities screwed up. >> oh, yeah. >> she figures schools are doing what they can afford to. >> but i know a lot of it has to do with money. >> yes, ma'am. >> that's why you know you come here and it might be a security guard. you go to some schools especially public schools, you know, they may have metal detectors. >> reporter: right. south philly high school alumnus mark says there were detectors and security when he went there more than ten years ago. >> like when you stood in line, you know, took awhile to get in but everybody was safe. so, um, i actual

your school? >> i think this could have possibly happened in any school. and that's the sad reality of the situation this country has come to. the fact we've had 18 this year and it's only february is absolutely unacceptable. the fact that i'm not even that surprised that it happened, the fact it happened at another school is not surprising at all to me and that's absolutely terrifying and it's something we have to change. >> david, as terrifying and awful, awful as this is, there's a small silver lining that tomorrow the young leaders of tomorrow are extraordinary people like you. i'm so sorry that you had to experience this. and i feel one shred of optimism knowing that in the future our country's going to be led by young men like you. david, thank you so much for joining us this morning. >> thank you for having me. >> all right, we're going to have much more on the florida shooting. a mother of one of the children killed in sandy hook will join me. what she is feeling as she watches another com

at the school. i've been getting inundated with texts and tweets to try to get status on individual students. i'm trying to push the information out. >> and you were mayor of parkland for about ten years so you know the area well. i didn't know you had a child in the high school. how long did the shooting last before the shooter was taken into custody? >> i'm not sure of the exact time but there were people hiding in closets. my niece goes to the school. she was in a closet. she is safely out of the school at this point. so this is very personal to me on a lot of levels. >> was the suspect a student at that school? >> i don't want to confirm or deny. i heard talk that it might have been a student or a former student but i'm not positive. >> do you know what kind of weapons the student had? >> i don't know. >> what about right now? i assume a lot of parents are trying to get information about their kids in the school. how is that working? >> if they're a student at douglas high school, they're being

is it still the school's responsibility? >> the school should have done it before expelling.l is saying we expelled him and that was our responsibility to get him out of here. what they did it kick the can down the road and made it someone else's problem. you don't just ignore it. the school is the would be that had the information. they had the information. it was incumbent upon them because they had the information. they should have brought this to the attention of authorities. though have baker acted this kid. he should have been brought in on a 72 hour hold. if they, like the doctor said, this was a case where they might have called out, said something to a doctor, that doctor can then petition a kid to hold him even longer in the facility and maybe get him to treatment he actually needs. i think the ball was dropped here. >> let me ask you the why here. why these school shooters act. why they resort to violence. you alluded to this a little bit. >> so in most of the cases, nearly all the cases we studied, the stood hooters we talked to prison, there was desperation for t

we don't know, teachers, students, clerical help, other adults who were in the school, school resource officers, which is the kind of new label for security personnel, we have had one death confirmed by the local sheriff, but obviously they take the wounded in all cases, they endeavor to take the wounded to hospitals that are set up for that, a level 1 trauma center in the area, brow waard county, ve populous place, the school is on the far western edge, think of it as kind of the metropolitan miami area runs out and the protected area of the florida everglades takes over. form msnbc analyst and former new york city police commissioner bill bratton. we have had some shootings around our country as of late in the past couple of years. let's talk about the people we saw today, the 4:00 to 12:00 shift is under way for so many in law enforcement across the country. no one who works in broward county expected to be called to a mass casualty incident today. every one of them we saw was running into danger. >> the rapidity of the response has improved in the last several decades, in the case