of the arts and education. and it's been amazing to see. i've gone on about 12 site visits in two and a half weeks, and it's been amazing. damian: have you heard of the school of arts and culturethe mexican heritage plaza? tamara: i think so. yeah, well, the school is a grantee of the shortino family foundation, which is how i know the foundation and the board and the staff. damian: how difficult, if it was, was it to leave? tamara: it was very difficult. the school of arts and culture was like my baby, our baby. and having an amazing team, amazing staff, and amazing board, and the community, the community partners, the si se puede collective, so many things that involved not just my professional life, calpulli tonalehqueh aztec dance, that's their--you know, that's our spiritual home, so to speak. so, i almost lived at the plaza, and i kind of still do. they kind of--when they see me, they're like, "you're still here?" damian: and you're not new, vanessa. you've been there-- vanessa shieh: i'm not. damian: you've helped--you've been at the side of tamara helping. vanessa: yeah, we've been working together for the past seven years. before i stepped into the interim executive d