. >> leer: and to norman ornstein, resident schor at the americannterprise institute.and amy walter, edir-in-chief "the hotline," "national journa's" political daily. norm, ithis thing among the demrats real? >>. oh, there's a real dispute here the's no doubt. a good pt oft is,im, the goal of th administraton has for a long timeeen getting a ll through the house and a bill tough the senate. they don'tave to be the same bill, and t political calculations in bh houses are diffent, as kent conrad said. thesenate simply doesn't have the vot, mostly becaus you have aar of 60 there. but whathey're also learning is theye not going to have republan support, so i gets down to how c you build majorities with democrats,nd you've got some real divisions among theemocrats. the adinistration's trying to thread two needl here at the same time, and they're gtting a few finger marlong the wa >> lehrer: amy,ow would you describthe divisis in first of all, you ree, these are rl. these are not justshowboat divisions >> no, they're t. although i wisay trying to cover something like legisla