but there is also a lot of comment about schweiger in those things.here were a lot of other -- there was a ledger actually that tracked each one of these patrols just based on something we haven't gotten to but the ability of the british navy to intercept and decode german communications for most of the war. brian: you are talking about room 40? room 40 was where? erik: room 40 of the old admiralty building. brian: what did they mean by admiralty? erik: the people running the british navy. the first lord was winston churchill. the first sealord was jackie fisher. what is significant there is that jackie fisher was supposed to be the day-to-day operating guy and churchill was supposed to be the ceo. but churchill is not going to take anything less than an intrusive role in the management of whatever he is managing. so a lot of conflict. brian: you pointed out the churchill was 40 and jackie was 74. let me point out something you put on page 190. this is a lot to pay. how many americans lost their lives on this? erik: 128. brian: how many people didn't

but there is also a lot of comment about schweiger in those things. he was a very nice guy and that coming up -- that kept coming up in the report. there was a ledger actually that tracked each one of these patrols just based on something we haven't gotten to but the ability of the british navy to intercept and decode german communications essentially for most of the war. brian: you are talking about room 40? room 40 was where? erik: room 40 of the old admiralty building. brian: what did they mean by admiralty? erik: the people running the british navy. there is the royal navy, into the admiralty was in charge of the royal navy. running the admiralty was the first lord, winston churchill. the first sealord was jackie fisher. there is a distinction. what is significant there is that jackie fisher was supposed to be the day-to-day operating guy in the navy, and churchill was supposed to be sort of the ceo. like the ceo and coo. but anyone who knows churchill knows but churchill is not going -- to take anything less than an intrusive role in the manageme