c-span: are you pronouncing it schwieger or schwieger? >> guest: schwieger. c-span: schwieger. schwieger was 30. >> guest: that's right. c-span: captain turner, william turner of the lusitania, was how old? >> guest: he was born in 1856, so they were talking about a man coming toward the end of his career, a man in his late 50's. c-span: did he survive? >> guest: he did survive. he was a remarkable survivor, really. he was washed off the bridge of his ship, and rescued eventually, after two or three fairly harrowing hours in the water. what happened was that one of his crewmen saw the sunlight glinting on the gold braid on the cuff of his jacket. he was rescued, picked up, put on board a fishing boat, brought into queenstown, and within just hours of landing, this traumatized man was giving evidence to a local inquest in ireland. and then, of course, asked to give evidence at the full official inquiry. c-span: had he ever been interviewed? >> guest: he found it all very traumatic. he resented the fact that he had -- his professionalism had been brought into question by the offi