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>> brown: a dictionary and, more important, a great band: the e street band, which includes patti scialface 1991. >> i had no credit cards. i had no checks. i was cash only till i was probably 30 years old. >> brown: but the boss is what he became, deciding early on that to endure, he would have to treat music like a business. >> well, that has to happen. if you're a band leader, you need that type of discipline and dedication in the guys you're playing with. we came from where professionalism was not a dirty word, as i say. we worked like the old soul bands worked, very intensely, and very methodically, in great detail. >> brown: you even call it a benevolent dictatorship. >> that's what it is. >> brown: that's what it is. >> small unit democracy, i found early on, didn't work for me. the band contributes enormously. i wouldn't have gotten anywhere near where i was without them. but it's basically, the buck stops here sort of situation. >> brown: but are you a control freak? that's sort of the what-- i think you say that. >> yes, i am. probably less now than i used to be. i think when i