did the third party company again, the scl , did they adhere to best scl, did they adhere to best practice or you know , were practice again or you know, were you know, were you know, so we have ways of being able to do that of course. but again it comes down to resources. it comes down to resources. it comes to down how much money can we allocate again. is it is it cost effective for us to outsource our military payroll and other systems as well to third parties? yeah, which are headquartered in different countries, i am yeah, i worry about this outsourcing. >> let's wait and see. there will be an inquiry. let's hope, professor karen, we get some answers and thank you for joining us, ian. again and again, i've talked about capita on this program, outsourcing of recruitment for the army , navy, recruitment for the army, navy, air force, complete disaster. people, people waiting up to six months and giving up the ghost and not bothering, outsourcing does does worry me greatly. let's finish this and move on to ukraine. the chinese embassy have said the so—called cyber attacks by china agains