if you were not for that they would have agreed to become a student arm of sclc. it differs a little bit because he says i would have been suspicious of being part of any adult organization. talking 1960 after all, and i am asking these questions in 2011 and 2012. excuse me, 2012 and 2013. there is a lot of latitude for the passage of time. remembers how the name actually came about. there are various theories. >> we will go to this gentleman. >> my question is, my father was one of the founders of the first chapter -- >> your father is a legendary figure. go ahead. >> in your observation, did you find that there became a culture of defense groups? the deacons was organized structure, but people sort of created their own structure to protect their streets who were not part of the cans? deacons? and did you see the image overpowering the image of the civil rights group? the people who made things happen, the image of what these notple did, they think an in terms of where they were at or the image that people out of them. me do the first question first. cal, there w

martin luther king sclc because we went to jail under the naacp in 1963 but went back to jail in 1964 under the southern christian leadership conference, dr. king's organization. >> can you tell me the story of that arrest with dr. king, that protest? we're pretty much on the spot where it happened. >> i was the one who went to jail with dr. king. >> she went to jail with dr. king. not me. >> seemed like i was already always in the mix of everything for some reason. i was always in the mix. but what happened was dr. king was at the st. mary's church, and he spoke that night. and miss peabody and dr. hayling, we was in groups. they all was in groups. and i was standing up against the -- i had no intention of going to jail. i'm not going to lie to you. i was standing up against the church. and he turned, and he seen me. and he looked me me, and he said, i want my little hero to come with me in my group. and i was saying to myself, oh, no. i'll be honest with you. i said no, not tonight. you can't say no to dr. king. so i went to jail. it was me, dr. king, reverend shellworth, and dthere

that was before sclc and king were involved. king i also found out didn't want to get involved but his people were telling him you've got to get in front of this march. he didn't want to do it because the law, quote unquote, was not on our side at that point. there was an injunction, no marches. but then the people in the united states got involved and pressured johnson to lift the state. so johnson got in touch with the judge and the judge lifted the stay sought march could go on. that's when it became an sclc march as opposed to a sncc march. i'm putting two and two together. nobody told me. but sncc was probably mad anyway because this thing had been taken away. the third thing i learned just from listening to stokely was there was competition from the good guys, from within the ranks of the good guys and so montgomery was set up just like that. sncc was able to do that because sncc was sncc. they had the power to do that. they could come in and virtually take over the city, command the attention of the police powers so much