. >> reporter: and amid the stalemate over the fate of the precinct, scoggins served as an intermediary. >> i was african-american before i put my first uniform on. so all our personal experiences inform our decision making. we are also focussed on serving the ptesters tt theyafe space to to exercise their rights. >> reporter: down playing the symbolism of the precinct's takeover. >> the precinct itself is just the building. our focus is on how do we make sure policing adapts to the situation? the chief made very clear that policing will never be the same. in seattle or across america. >> it's not a protest. i call it burning man, a festival. it has nothing to do with black lives or what happened to george floyd. >> reporter: victoria beach chairs the police department's african-american community vi license to lawless said the longer they have these streets the harder it is to get it back. and she needs to be on the front line taking it back. >> reporter: other protesters are frustrated by the lack of progress and clarity in the movement, like bookkeeper shawn gaston. >> there's a whol