you stand by that, i take it. >> i was asked about scooter libby and i said stator. i was asked about dick cheney, i said traitor. i would amend my comments about dick cheney for traitor and coward, for letting scooter libby take the fall. tavis: why did all this happen? >> well, i think there were a number of reasons. first of all, out's very clear they wanted to change the -- it's very clear they wanted to change the subject fra their 15 words and the justification to take this country into words and they were successful for many years. but the fact remains that everybody now understands. we went to war based on intelligence. it was manufactured and misused. and 4,000 americans are dead. 30,000 are wounded. many of them have come home to be wards of their communities and their families for the rest of their lives. i was just in bag dad three weeks ago and there over one million iraqis displaced and others in neighboring countries and lord only knows how many iraqis have been killed as a consequence of this ill-advised foreign policy decision. tavis: how do you look

you stand by that, i take it. >> i was asked about scooter libby and i said stator. i was asked about dick cheney, i said traitor. i would amend my comments about dick cheney for traitor and coward, for letting scooter libby take the fall. tavis: why did all this happen? >> well, i think there were a number of reasons. first of all, out's very clear they wanted to change the -- it's very clear they wanted to change the subject fra their 15 words and the justification to take this country into words and they were successful for many years. but the fact remains that everybody now understands. we went to war based on intelligence. it was manufactured and misused. and 4,000 americans are dead. 30,000 are wounded. many of them have come home to be wards of their communities and their families for the rest of their lives. i was just in bag dad three weeks ago and there over one million iraqis displaced and others in neighboring countries and lord only knows how many iraqis have been killed as a consequence of this ill-advised foreign policy decision. tavis: how do you look

. >> scooter libby, it meant the prosecutor was able to get to the bottom of the conspiracy because scooter libby obstructed his ability to do so. >> the first person to release the identity of valerie plame was richard armitage. >> rich was one of three. the other two were scooter libby and karl rove. >> you firmly believe that? >> it's not that i firmly believe it, it's been said by bob novak, said by matt cooper, judy miller talked about being with scooter libby at the st. regis hotel and her nicks have victoria flame which obviously was her interpretation of valerie plame. it all came out in scooter's trial. >> at the time, a lot of people at cia and elsewhere were concerned sources and methods, some of your contacts when you were an aboctive agent for the a could have been compromised. all these years later is there idea any if they were compromise? >> it's insidious what happened. it's just me and my career, but the entire network of assets i worked with for years was put into jeopardy. >> do you know for a fact that has happened. >> a damage report was done by the cia. i never saw it

in which you actually went to court and found out that scooter libby was authorized to leaked classified information. it is unclear who gave him the authorization data but other people were leaking to us and nobody cared about it. when you talk about breaking the ice, you have to remember that this game up administration leaking things has been going on for years. i mean, kissinger -- going back to dean rusk, he would have people in every friday for drinks. depending on what is published, and this fits into your point of view of creating openness, people who are on the other side of issues that the government was leaking, and it has gone on in every administration, then feel free because they know something that is contrary to that, whether it is classified or not, to leak it to get in a vault in the debate. it is the fact that people at a higher level, i will bet you if the republicans win the house or senate, you'll have an investigation of that. not because they want to find out the leakeer but because -- not because they want to find out the leaker, but because politically, it would

. -- scooter libby. >> i'm sorry. he was quite open about the information that he routinely disclosed to reporters would be very similar to information that would appear in intelligence reports, and in that particular case it was in national intelligence estimate. he indicated he would purely allow those classified documents to inform his decisions and in for his conversation. as we heard from general hayden at lunchtime, what is often the issue is not the content, it is the thought. as long as an individual is careful not to disclose what is known as thoughts -- it is the source. as long as an individual is careful not to disclose what is known as the source of information -- >> let me interrupt and hand you which, as a lawyer, i have to say is exhibit a, ask you if you recognize the exhibit. >> yes, this is mr. cheney's statement that i was just referring to. >> and the special prosecutor there. you may want to read a few sentences in that paragraph where the vice-president talks about how he relates to the public a