look at scooter libby, president bush commuted his sentence. why don't you commute mine? for me to lie? they influence behavior in society. we might talk about the president of the united states, it trickles down to all levels, not only criminal lying but all the way down to the rell testify serious. >> stephen: i feel like the behavior you are describing is going on forever? >> every prosecutor told me and there are scores of them interviewed for the book. they told me it's worse in their careers. i come to work expecting to bev: lied to. the only question is can i prosecute. people think everyone is doing it. that effects behavior. we're social animals. juries are reluctant to convict when they think someone is singled out for perjury. it has a broad core rosive effect. >> stephen: is it perjury if you lied when you were taking the oath? [laughter] >> that's a good question. [cheers and applause] and. >> stephen: it's going to be my out. >> it sounds like some people who have spoken are reading this. it's a how-to book of how they could lie and not make the mistakes the

it's a sign to judge reggie walt what did the scooter libby case.can law, no federal judge has ever resolved this kind of dispute between congress and the preside president. bottom line, the case will be thrown out. >> oh, really? richard, do you see it this way? the president was a former constitutional law professor. and he knows constitutionality. at least that's the thinking. he felt like he didn't even want to take on the advice of the pentagon lawyers who said, you need to get congressional approval. he and white house lawyers said, no, you don't need to do this because, a, this is not a war. is that a solid argument? >> i have to agree with avery. he's right on the money of this one. the definition of hostilities is ongoing. do we have boots on the ground? are we sustaining casualties? that does not apply in this particular case. and avery is right. the federal judge is going to dismiss it turned theory that congress has the ability to correct this. they have the ability to stop funding for this type of situation or they have the ability to s