but there are plenty of other examples or studies, like for scotland or catalonia, the prove that areas that are part of the e you can stay in the community after secession. >> the discussion puts the regional governor in the tricky position. though he knows the debate over independence could upset the existing political structures and threaten his authority. the veteran politician draws on all his experience and diplomatic tact as he tries to steer a moderate course. >> we always save money because we still believe that you cannot spend more than you make. because sooner or later, you have to pay it back. that has worked for us, but the government kept piling on debt, and now we are all in the same vote. we are part of italy, and if the vote sinks, we sing, too. -- we're all in the same boat. if the boat sinks, we do, too. >> some are not convinced. secession from italy would not mean a region without italians. just less influence without -- just in -- less influence from the italian state. >> i would like to call one italians to help find solutions for the country's future. if we work