scott atlas was in the white house at the same time. he was always citing science.came into my office. he showed studies after virus did not spread the virus same way. they should be in school. dr. fauci was exactly the opposite. he was saying opposite of well sourced journal articles placed on my desk from dr. scott atlas. final a year later is is having a reckoning that should have come a year ago. elizabeth: is there gain of function bureaucracy in the government blocking these probes? that is what is "vanity fair" saying. now we have senators marsha blackburn, senator rubio, senator tom cotton says he should be fired or resign. is there a bureaucracy within the government? >> i think there could be. i don't have a definitive answer. in 2012 he authored a journal article of gain of function research article. he was authoring a paper in support of it in 2012. you fast forward in 2014 between that date and 2019, he is giving $600,000 to the wuhan institute ever virology. the facts are there that he supported this in 2017 another good example when president obama sa

you know, she went from the white house darling, to being replaced by scott atlas.hey just hadn't had a chance to meet scott atlas, yet. >> when you saw her at the end of october, 2020, you write that she was, quote, downright scared. talk to me about that, andy. >> she knew we had a big wave coming. she had seen it in the data, but she was not permitted to talk to the press. this harkens back to another part in the book in february when alex azar who was often doing trump's bidding had wanted to go on "fox & friends" and say things are fine, which they weren't, but things could change rapidly. the white house pulled him from "fox & friends" and he and the department were not allowed to talk to the media for 45 days. so imagine this. we have a pandemic started. and our own department of health and human services isn't allowed to talk to the press and the that you can. that was the pattern throughout the whole of 2020. if you didn't agree with trump's narrative about the pandemic, you were shut down. that's what happened to birx at the end. >> andy, it's always a ple

scott atlas joins us. i thought he was busy managing this pandemic but had enough time to go on tv shows and write a book. >> hi, laura. i think thing you should realization is they will never admit they were wrong. a lot of people have their careers based on continuing the fear. that's part of what we are seeing here. >> laura: with the fear mongering continuing on the variants. this was after 4 months ago after they said the variants are coming. we will have another wave. that didn't happen. you said on this show the vaccines will probably be effective on most variants. there was no reason to think not but that news kept coming. >> yes. as far as i know there is no evidence that the vaccines don't cover the variants. even dr. fauci said that. there are a lot of issues here. we won't go for a zero covid world or zero risk world. if we you better lock your doors and never come out again. that's irrational. inciting fear in search of zero covid risk is so harmful and indicates so many things wrong including

doctor scott atlas, senior fellow at the hoover institution joins us. i thought he was busy managing the pandemic but apparently had enough time on his hands to go on tv shows and write a book. >> one thing you should realize, they are never going to admit that they were wrong. a lot of people have their entire careers based on continuing the fear and that is part of what we are seeing here. >> what we are seeing with the fear mongering continuing on the variance, this was after 24 months ago when they said the variants are coming, look out, we are going to have another wave, that didn't happen and use it on the show the vaccines are probably going to be fairly effective on most variance as well, no reason to think not yet been news kept coming. >> as far as i know there is no evidence vaccines don't cover the variance. even doctor fauci said that. there's a lot of issues -- going for a 0 covid world. if we do then you better lock your doors and never come out again. that is just irrational and the -- inciting fear in search of 0 covid risk is so harmfu

doctor scott atlas will follow about threats about his colleagues who challenge the so-called expert consensus on the pandemic. is going to provide disturbing details but first the racetrack it unravels, that is the focus of tonight's angle. a year after the ruinous deadly riots that ripped apart america we see the corrupt poisonous roots of blm's work. the cofounder got rich and snapped up pricing real estate minneapolis got poorer and more dangerous. this is the's police force is a shell of its former self, nearly 200 have quit, gone on we all reside rather than deal with the wave of anti-police sentiment and measures they say make policing dangerous and ineffective. to give you a sense of how neutered the forces become they didn't dare try restoring normal access and traffic into the several block radius around the area where george ford died. a sprawling makeshift memorial surrounded by vulgar anti-cop graffiti has been maintained and guarded by various groups for almost a year now. visitors must go through ramshackle barricades manned by volunteers. i visited the site last augus

scott atlas has watched this unfold. a lot of things we're learning now to be true he said a long time ago. he's a former member of the white house coronavirus task force. serving on that probably destroyed your life, doctor, i would bet, you don't have to answer that question but you took a lot of flack. you've said for i think about a year now, that the kind of masks you buy in a drugstore are no effective prophylactics are not effective against covid-19. is it weird to see that tony fauci knew the same thing? >> hi, tucker. i did not destroy my life. much to the chagrin of those who tried to. i just want to correct that. the truth was evident in the public statements back then and the emails confirmed that at one point dr. fauci was stating the evidence which was that the masks were not able to contain this virus and that's not what the masks are for, even in a medical setting, because the virus goes through the mask. the virus goes around the mask, and, he knew it, he explained it in detail apparently in one of those

if only he felt the same way about american physicians like doctor scott atlas who raise legitimate questions about the wisdom of things like damaging lockdowns. these emails should mark the end of the road for fauci. he allowed taxpayer dollars to fund the chinese lab that may have created the virus that crippled the world and killed millions and as these emails show, he and his cronies launched a desperate campaign to cover that up. that wasn't because they were worried about their own reputations. as for the media's role in the cover-up they didn't just protect fauci, they deified him in their position to drive trump out of office and that continued today. >> there is no doubt that there are people out there who for one reason or other recent me for what i did in the last administration which was not anything that was anti-trump at all, just trying to get the right information. as you learn more and more you've got to continue to evolve with the data and that is what i was doing, to always tell the truth. >> is that what we are calling it? evolving? here's wallace's top follow-up. >> they

said masks were more effective than vaccines and doctor fauci did not contradict him when doctor scott atlas that was nonsense which it was. his credibility is entirely shot. laura: he's also chastising states that haven't met his self-determined vaccine goals. >> if you have a high percentage of people vaccinated you are not going to see a substantial blip. my concern is in the states in which you have relatively few compared to others people vaccinated when you're below 50% of people being vaccinated that is when you have problems. laura: he is still essentially denying the reality of naturally acquired immunity not factoring any of that in, and the possibility, one or 2 of you might have said months ago that we are close to or in some parts of the country already have unity, correct? >> that is correct. i testified on march 10th that we are already at 80% heard immunity. the standard cdc equations and we know is patients who seek vaccination have less than one% chance of coming in contact with covid 19, from the registration of trials back when the ambient density of the virus is much hig

and then when they found scott atlas. >> and that's when thousands of people had already died, although not nearly as many have died now, 600,000. you told cbs over the weekend that americans could have done a better job at sacrificing a little bit for one another. and that hit some people the wrong way because we've been through a hell of a 14 months here and people are wondering, what more could i have sacrificed? >> and i want to explain that. we as individuals, we as a country, people -- we've been through a lot. what i'm talking about is the structure of our society. what i mean by that is in some places, more than half, up to 70% of people were classified as essential workers for doing things that we could have protected them more. so while many of uthere's a chapter of the book that's called the room service pandemic, many people were getting deliveries. there were thousands and thousands of people, unseen, growing food crops, working in meat-packing plants, working in grocery stores. and we as a country decided that we were going to get many, many more people exposed without pay

i think the way they rationalized it themselves, if they quit, they'd be replaced with scott atlas who of people that i decision was a mistake and that they should have done more to publicly try to force the president to change his policy, but they just made these, this decision during these meetings inside the white house that they had to stick together and try to lock arms with each other, otherwise the president could just run roughshod over them and change policy in a way that was damaging. >> well, i hope all of them know they're always invited here to tell us exactly what they were doing, so great, inside the white house. you wrote about two trumps, the cavalier version with his mask off in public, but we know for years and years, this guy is an absolute germaphobe. how do you square them? >> i don't think you do. he told bob woodward in february 2020 he knew the virus was dangerous and deadly and saying things in the public how ed t would disappear when the weather got better. he joked with task members that made them feel uncomfortable and heard boris johnson had coronavirus on

being this unquestionable oracle of truth who could not be in any way disagreed with by people like scott atlas, without it becoming some kind of national scandal or representation that it was antiscientific behavior. instead, when we look back at this email record, a ton of uncertainty from him. we see exactly why we ought to have been raising these questions. what can we learn from this experience about not putting so much faith in lone bureaucrats in the future or letting the media turn them into vaunted saints? >> listen, this was a rush to contradict anything that president trump said. the information that he put out. if dr. fauci had an opposing view. it got highlighted, it got multiplied and really to exponential proportions. here is what we can learn. when you have something that is new, you need to explore all the reasons and all the evidence that is behind it. not make declaratory statements that are not based on any real evidence. we also need to understand is that you can't trust china ton transparent. they weren't trustworthy in january. they weren't trustworthy in february or any

scott atlas play his chief medical advisor role.he white house, and with that third wave came, as yasmeen mentioned, the white house was completely unprepared for it. that's what made it so devastating in november and december. >> damian, something that i have not seen is that his political advisors knew that mask wearing really wasn't a politically perilous position to take. so not only could it have saved lives but it might have boosted his political fate. let me read this from page 336. a top campaign pollster, tony fabricio and his campaign adviser, jason miller, sat across the desk from trump. mask wearing was not the political anvil they told him, and if he reversed course it would show leadership heading into the election. kushner weighed in. he thought embracing mask wearing was a no brainer. mark meadows interjected, absolutely not, he told with me. no masks. this seems to be one of the trumpist positions at all. if trump said masks are good, his base would believed him. was there no effort to push back meadows and trump af

scott atlas, doctors and those who are professional who are willing to stand up to faucind a say waithere's more to the story, have been shut down by corporate tech titans to absolute cheering from the mead cay class. this is a -- media class. this is a failure beyond anything we've seen in u.s. media and it's undercutting the trust the american people need to have when there's a dangerous situation. it hurts their reputation. it hurts america. we rely on media to be a check on government, not its cheerleader. maria: instead we get political hacks at media companies that attack those people like myself, like yourself, who are actually seeking out truth. look at msnbc's nicole wallace, another political hack. she is facing backlash this morning. she did not press fauci at all about these e-mails yesterday. she peppered him with soft ball questions, wallace's interview was fauci's first since his e-mails were released. take a look. look at this joke. >> they look good even when their personal e-mails come out, so you passed the test that very few of us would pass. maria: he passes the t

scott atlas joins us now. mr. well, thanks, stuart. i think what we see from the emails right now i don't think it is proven of course but you know anyone with common sense would think it was a likely possibility even back then and what we see here in this trove of emails, in this pathway of discovery which should have been done a year ago, more than a year ago, is a real disgrace to science and to the media and what i mean by that, when you look at the emails, there was a letter written to "the lancet," a very prestigious journal back in february, obviously was just a non-scientific statement of falsity that was saying it was a conspiracy theory to say it was out of a lab and it was basically a political intimidation of other scientists. these people that wrote that letter should be a disgrace. it is a disgrace to science. it is a disgrace to the country and to actually the journal, "the lancet," the editors should have be ashamed of themselves. they were perpetrating false information as if it were fact on the p

scott ellis to mike atlas with threats against the colleagues who challenge the so-called expert on the pandemic. he will provide some disturbing details. but first, the race racket unravels. that is the focus of tonight's "angle." now a year after the deadly riots that ripped apart america, we see the corrupt poison fruit of blm's work. as cofounder patrice colors got ripped with snapping up l.a. state, minneapolis cup or a more dangerous. the city's police force in nearly 200 quit, gone on leave or retire then deal with a wave of anti-police sentiments and make policing dangerous and ineffective. now to give you a sense of how neutered the force has become, they didn't dare try to restore normal access in traffic into the several block radius around the south minneapolis fight where george floyd died. and wilting sprawling makeshift memorial surrounded by vulgar, anti-cop graffiti has been maintained and guarded by various groups for a year now. visitors must go through ramshackle barricades manned by volunteers. now i've visited the site last august. everyone was perfectly nice there