. >> john: we are going to turn out to scott fredericksen, a former federal prosecutor. scott, what is your take after taking a look at this and listening to the special prosecutor in his remarks? >> yes, i think one thing that strikes anyone who has watched special counsel smith is that he does not show emotion very often. he showed emotion today when he talked about the fact that this indictment has brought consistent with the prosecutions responsible for the deaths of five law enforcement officers and the mob, the violent mob that attacked the capital, and when he talked about that, you could see, he was emotional about that and that is driving him, when he said this was an assault on democracy, fueled by lies of a president. >> john: just to underscore that, scott, the point is that while, in the political realm, this might get discussed in all kinds of maybe even abstract ways or in political terms, what it sounds like he was doing is saying two bedrock principles: accountability, and also that there were real victims here who held the line when somebody else was try