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. >> republican congressman scott garrett said if a debt ceiling deal doesn't have a full delay or defund of obamacare, i know i and many others will not be able to support whenever the leadership proposes. the president has repeatedly assured republicans this will never happen. >> i'm going to repeat it. there will be no negotiations over this. the united states government pays its bills, that's nonnegotiable we're not going to negotiate around the debt ceiling. >> the republicans think they have the support of the american people. the latest polling finds that 70% of americans disapprove of congressional republicans handling of the budget. that's up 63% from just last week. the latest national journal poll are even worse than the gop. 80% of nonwhites oppose tying government funding to obamacare, along with 70% of men and women with a college education and 70% of people 18 to 29. republicans are getting killed in the polls among precisely the groups they pledged to woo. they still think they are speaking for the nation as a whole. but the republican party has a history of this sort of s

the ranking democrat on the house appropriations committee, and republican congressman scott garrett of new jersey, who serves on the budget and financial services committee. what do you want to ask them? what would you like me to ask them on your behalf? you can tweet us, using hash tag sitroom. we will try to get some of your questions in as well. >>> up next, from your job to your home to your 401(k), we are going to show you what the real impact of a u.s. debt default could be. >>> and american soldiers killed in afghanistan because of the government shutdown. guess what, their families aren't receiving death benefits as they should right now. what is going on? [ male announcer ] a doctor running late for a medical convention loses his computer, exposing thousands of patient records to identity theft. data breaches can happen that easily. we don't believe you should be a victim of someone else's mistake. we're lifelock. we constantly monitor the web so if any of your personal information is misused, we're on it. ♪ ow. [ male announcer ] call 1-800-lifelock or go to lifelock.com t

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congressman bill pascrell, democrat from new jersey, joins us now and beside him scott garrett, republicandget committee. i'm glad we have you side by side. it's difficult to get your parties together on anything these days -- anything. i want to ask you, congressman pascre pascrell, do you think this meeting at 5:30 will be productive? >> i think it is a good sign. i think it was in the works really. who blinks first? the president has been willing to negotiate not only this year but in the first four years of his administration. we should have had a budget by now. the other side chose not to go to conference when both the senate and the house passed a budget. we are where we are now. so it may only be for six weeks but it is a critical part of t process of making sure we fund america. >> so congressman garrett, part of the issue has been, of course, the clean resolution. the spending bill with no strings attached. the republicans wanted strings to derail obama care. whatever anybody thinks about the philosophy behind that it's the mechanism behind it so many people are outraged about. wo

republican congressman scott garrett voted no. and financial services. congressman, good to see you again. good morning. >> hey, it's good to be with you, thanks. >> what do you make of the "post" story, citing honeywell, at&t, u.p.s., all of the -- the kinds of companies that are coming out and saying this would have been terrible, apparently lobbyi ining dollars all for na. >> had we not gotten the deal at the end of the day, you mean? >> no, they would come on our air, ostensibly, saying default would be bad for business. and yet the congresspeople to whom they gave money in the re-election cycle voted for something that might have led to defaumt. >> yeah, well, i guess it goes to the issue of those people who say politicians are bought by their contributor, i guess in that case, it's not the case. you know, i was listening to the lead-in to me coming on air right now, in the interviews, and what have you. the people that you don't ever get the chance to interview, right, are the people who are actually going to actually pay th

. >> we're live with republican congressman aaron shock and scott garrett, one who voted for the deal, one who voted against. on what happens now for the party and the country. this is "shutdown showdown." >>> good evening, everyone. welcome to this special hour of cnn "shutdown showdown." i'm jake tapper once again live from capitol hill. attention, furloughed federal workers, veterans, families who rely on wic to put food on the table and every american who yearns to see our government leaders working together to get things done. all of you have reason to breathe a little easier, at least for tonight, at least until january. literally with minutes to spare until we hit the debt ceiling the house and senate approved the deet to reopen the government and avert that potential economic crisis. >> on this vote, there are 81 yeas, 18 nays. the bill is reported as passed. >> there was nothing surprising about the landslide approval in the senate, seeing as how democrats hold the majority there and most senate republicans were more than ready to put this whole thing behind them. the real te

scott garrett is a republican from new jersey. >> welcome back, everybody. >> good to see you, gentlemen. thanks very much. representative garrett, i want to ask you about some of the intricacies we talked about a moment ago with john harwood. that is if you're in a room with the president and the republicans and the president are meeting, and you come to a decision that, yes, we are going to open the government again. we're going to do everything we can to get the government reopened by tuesday. but in the meantime let's talk about the debt limit, let's talk about cutting spending, is that going to fly? >> so the operative word in all you described right there is the word "talk." right? unfortunately until this point, the president has said he will not engage in talk. he said that not only to republicans when he said i will not negotiate, i will not negotiate, he has said that apparently we learned in the last 24 hours even to members of his own party. i know you saw what happened when reid was confronted with a member of the -- democrat mayor of d.c. reid says don't screw this up by as

. >> we're live with republican congressman aaron shock and scott garrett, one who voted for the dealvoted against. on

scott, the president spoke by phone the four top congressional leaders this evening but there were no breakthroughs to report. >> pelley: nancy cordes, thank you. now to the white house and correspondent major garrett. major? >> reporter: scott, the white house calls house republicans "extortionists." president obama said a government shutdown would harm federal workers as well as the broader economy and undercut american prestige. >> it does not have to happen. all of this is entirely preventable if the house chooses to do what the senate has already done: and that's the simple act of funding our government without making extraneous and controversial demands in the process. >> reporter: president obama said he won't sacrifice the affordable care act-- a central issue in his reelection campaign-- just to keep the government open. >> one faction of one party in one house of congress in one branch of government doesn't get to shut down the entire government just to refight the results of an election. >> reporter: the white house believes house republicans will relent once a government shutdown begins. but, scott, as late as last friday the white house belief add shutdown would never come. now it's ne

scott, he may still try to derail a possible deal here in the senate. >> pelley: chip reid. thank you, chip. the president tonight says he's optimistic though it may be hard to see why. major garrett is at the white house for us tonight. major? >> reporter: scott, all day long the white house opposed whatever house republicans efforts were to put a bill on the floor and they're hopeful the senate compromise deal nancy referred to, might verge. that's why the president in an interview with one of our affiliates in des moines, iowa, said on that he's still optimistic. >> there's a faction there that believes any compromise of any sort is unacceptable, that they've got to get 100% of what they want or at least a lot of what they want. and they haven't been willing to engage with democrats over there. so we're stuck in the house but i remain optimistic that this will eventually get resolved. >> pelley: scott, as for fitch credit rating agency's designation that it's reviewing the united states credit rating the treasury department noted it didn't downgrade the credit rating, just put it on a negative watch. treasury said fitch didn't not find fault with the underlying strength of the

scott, that one republican leader just told us if anyone tells you they know what's happening they're probably not being straight with you. >> pelley: but at least they're talking. nancy, thanks very much. major garrett is following all of this at the white house. major, what does the president consider nonnegotiable now? >> reporter: two bills, scott, one that unconditionally raises the government's borrowing authority to avoid default the other that unconditionally reopens the government. what is negotiable is the duration of both of these bills. the white house wants the threat of default removed at least through the end of this calendar year. we are told, scott, the white house would reluctantly if it had to accept reopening the government for just a few weeks. >> pelley: why does the president think he can win on the positions he considers non- negotiable? >> reporter: because republicans are divided and their demands, scott-- such as repealing or defunding obamacare, at least in part-- are disappearing. the white house sees public polls showing republicans suffering for than the president and, of course, all of this leads the president's democratic base to lean on the white house to drive the h

major garrett has the president's reaction. major. >> reporter: scott, the president expects congress to approve this deal, and he will sign tprobably tomorrow. the white house didn't doesn't want to claim victory in public but believe it's won on almost all fronts a new borrowing authority will be approved without significant policy or spending concessions from the white house. but this deal has complications. it onto lasts until early 2014, and already white house economic advisers fear that anxiety about a potential shutdown or default early in 2014 could dampen consumer confidence in the heart of the holiday shopping season and quite possibly discourage job creation. also, the president didn't have to negotiate to win this round but, scott, white house advisers tell us he will not have that luxury when these new budget talks take place. >> pelley: well, with those new budget talks, major, how will the president change his strategy, if at all? >> reporter: well, the number one goal for this white house is to remove those across-the-board spending cut

scott, that we could see the government reopened is mid to late this week. >> pelley: nancy, hang in there with us just a moment, let's bring in major garrett at the white house. major, there was a late meeting scheduled between the president and the senate leaders but it was canceled. is that a sign of trouble? >> reporter: not at all, scott. it's actually a sign of progress. the original idea was the for the president to receive a status up date this afternoon but when negotiations picked up speed and a deal looked to be in sight the president decided to get out of the way and the white house also knows all too well scott that anything the president says right now that could aggravate senate republicans or house republicans probably ought not to be said. >> pelley: so will the president take the deal nancy described a moment ago? >> everyone here at the white house tells me the president will, scott, because the president believe this is deal reopens the government and takes away the specter of default with no strings attached. that means almost entirely on his terms. the white house does not object to income verification for the president's health care law

garrett at the white house. major, the meeting just broke up. what's happened? >> reporter: well, scott, this is a very, very fluid situation. white house aides are scrambling at this moment to put together a statement to characterize exactly what went on when the president met with 18 house republicans today. they're not characterizing it in any way right now as either productive or nonproductive. what they are avoiding are terminology of is saying the republican off was rejected by the president. it's clear talks will continue on the subject of day which was not resolving or ending shutdown but trying to find a way to extend the legal authority of the government to borrow to avoid a default. which as said comes due october 17. the republicans came with a proposal to the president to extend borrowing authority for the government until november 22. and we are told the president is taking that offer under advisement, considering it, and talks will continue. nobody here-- either congressional republicans or the president-- talked after the meeting, but upon returning to capitol hill, the

asked chief white house correspondent major garrett to try to find out how widespread the spying has been and how much the president knew. major? >> reporter: scott, u.s. intelligence agencies have conducted surveillance on 35 world leaders. today we learned president obama knew of some of these operations but not others. top officials tell us the president -- excuse me. the president does not demand as a rule intelligence on european or south american leaders but does when it comes to places like iran, syria, and north korea. the u.s. surveillance dragnet was so wide the president and top members of congress did not know allies like german chancellor angela merkel were targets. president obama has promised merkel the u.s. will never again tap her personal cell phone-- something it had been doing since 2005. but other surveillance will continue-- with new limits. we spoke deputy national security advisor ben rhodes. >> that information is important in keeping us safe. that's how we uncover terrorist plots, we've disrupted terrorist plots with this intelligence so we need to gather information around the world. we also need to make sure, though, t

garrett is at the white house for us tonight. major, what is the administration most concerned about? >> reporter: scott, the health care law's financial structure depends on younger, healthier americans signing up so their premiums can support coverage for older sicker americans or americans who are just receiving more expansive coverage under the law. and if young americans are turned off by a clumsy web site and don't sign up that health care coverage this law promises could be jeopardized. >> pelley: this is turning into a bit of a black eye. i wonder, is this going to have any impact on the president's other priorities? does it undermine his credibility? >> reporter: it could, scott, the president's next big policy agenda item is immigration reform. the politics for that are already dicey among house republicans who are opposed to the health care law and rampant stories about an ineffective web site could raise legitimate policy questions about the federal government's ability to manage and bring into the system an estimated 11 million undocumented workers, we could have a policy debate on that iss

scott pelly is next. is back to square one with less than 48 hours until the government can't borrow anymore. nancy cordes and major garrett are on the breaking news. chip reid looks at the tea party role. anthony mason questions alan greenspan. >> reporter: so we're playing with fire? >> pelley: can states ban affirmative action? at was before the supreme court today. jan crawford reports. middle schoolers are arrested in the bullying suicide of a classmate. anna werner that has story. and david martin on the harrowing battle that earned will swenson the medal of honor.

garrett is at the white house for us tonight. major what management savvy is the white house bringing to bear on this? >> scott, there will be outside technology experts who will work with the original web site designers to achieve three emergency goals: 1, increase the number of people who can effectively use the web site at one time. also make sure that people are not kicked off the web site or their data isn't lost when they're in midstream. lastly, the goal is to make sure that all data collected from consumers is accurately delivered to insurance companies. all this was discussed here at the white house between kathleen sebelius, h.h.s. secretary, the white house chief of staff and more than a dozen health insurance c.e.o.s understandably rattled by the flaws in this web site. also the white house announced that starting tomorrow there will be daily briefings on these web site fixes. >> pelley: major, is there any indication the president knew the trouble was coming? >> he knew some trouble was coming, scott, but not nearly as much as the white house is now dealing with. top officials tell us what the pre

scott. >> pelley: nancy, thanks very much. we wonder what the white house had to say about that system crash two weeks before the launch. major garrett has been asking about that. >> reporter: we asked the top health care adviser to president obama how it was decided to launch the health care web site when the administration knew it had failed some key early tests? who decided to go ahead with the launch when the site crashed with fewer than 200 people on it and was the president notified that that crash occurred shortly before the october 1 launch? >> there was rigorous testing, but, major, look, there wasn't - - >> reporter: it crashed. and there had to be a decision to say go ahead once that site crashed. >> there wasn't-- it's clear now there wasn't enough testing. and the bottom line is the president of the united states last week went out in front of the american people and said here's what we're going to do to fix it. and the good news, is when it's up and running we'll have until march 31 to make sure that people are covered. >> reporter: did the president know? >> we received updates in terms of the progress, and it was all

scott pelley in new york. >> reporter: great to be with you in the bay area. there's breaking news this evening on the goverment shutdown crisis. mancy courts and major garrett have the very latest in washington. and in california, our john blackstone has found because of the crisis, there's no money for federal loans that create jobs in the state. those stories tonight on the even even at 5:30 right after kpix 5 news. ,,,,,,,,,, [ female announcer ] safeway presents real big deals of the week. or how to get great deals the easy way. you do enough flying around. that's why we give you real big club card deals. this week, load up on your favorite coke products. 12 packs are $2.77 each. tide is $16.99 for 150 ounces. that's under 20 cents a load. and oikos greek yogurt is just a buck. real big deals this week and every week. only at safeway. ingredients for life. new at 6:00 tonight: business owners fed up withr like this... how the high c rate in one >>> i'm ken bastida in the kpix 5 newsroom. new at 6:00 tonight, business owners fed up with fear like this. how the high crime rate in one bay area city is causing its economic development to suffer. plus, the b